Her ultimate is already overloaded as it is.
Not to mention her lack of punishment for feeding in lane.
If Fizz doesn't get his I think Katarina should lose hers, assassins with GV is unhealthy.
It even doesn't make sense lore-wise, Fizz's trident was enchanted so it kind of made sense.
Should remove Grievous Wounds for her, it hardly hurts her at all since you don't heal from a 240% AP ultimate.
ChromeFluxx14 votesIf Fizz doesn't get his I think Katarina should lose hers, assassins with GV is unhealthy.
It even doesn't make sense lore-wise, Fizz's trident was enchanted so it kind of made sense.
Ok so you're saying that throwing tons and tons of daggers at enemies doesn't realistically apply grievous wounds.
Transgressor12 votesBecause Fizz can go untargetable every 8 seconds(max rank)has 3 gap closers(2 if you use only playful), procs onhit effects with his urchin strike, does dps with his seastone trident, ignores unit collision, takes reduced damage from basic attacks(which scales), has built in DFG, and does extra damage based on the target's missing health.
Fuck Fizz, deal with it.
Chris Chiaki2 votesBecause Fizz can go untargetable every 8 seconds(max rank)has 3 gap closers(2 if you use only playful), procs onhit effects with his urchin strike, does dps with his seastone trident, ignores unit collision, takes reduced damage from basic attacks(which scales), has built in DFG, and does extra damage based on the target's missing health.
Fuck Fizz, deal with it.
Fizz can't feed in lane and not be punished.
Works both ways buddy.
bonfire109 votesBecause this certainly isn't an exaggeration at all. /s
Yes, katarina's passive means she will always have a high damage potential even when shut down in lane. All that means is shutting her down in lane doesn't give your team the go ahead to act like idiots, get caught out of position, and focus improperly. If you're adc sees that kat is 0-5 and thinks, well I guess I don't have to care about her, they're an idiot. Yes that's frustrating, but it also mean her counterplay is clear and consistent regardless of her status.
Chris Chiaki1 votesBecause this certainly isn't an exaggeration at all. /s
Yes, katarina's passive means she will always have a high damage potential even when shut down in lane. All that means is shutting her down in lane doesn't give your team the go ahead to act like idiots, get caught out of position, and focus improperly. If you're adc sees that kat is 0-5 and thinks, well I guess I don't have to care about her, they're an idiot. Yes that's frustrating, but it also mean her counterplay is clear and consistent regardless of her status.
Why does Kat get to feed and still be a huge threat?
You think 
Lucian at 20 minutes is even a threat? No, he's fucking punished for getting shit on.
Katarina doesn't get punished, 
and a 
is all she needs to do her job.
She's not OP perse, her design is toxic to play against because feeding as Katarina means next to nothing.
bonfire104 votesWhy does Kat get to feed and still be a huge threat?
She isn't, once again this is where I said that's an over-exageration.
Katarina is a very binary champion, she either doesn't do much, or she can do enough damage to take out 3 people. This isn't as reliant on how fed she is or her itemization as it is on her ability to get resets.
If the enemy team zones her well and prevents her from jumping on their carries to get that first reset, the fight essentially becomes a 4v5. As long as low health targets have enough sense to stay back and leave when kat approaches, kat's potential can be reduced to her basic QEWR combo. The issue is many people disregard her and end up getting caught out of position and give her a reset, unlocking her damage potential.
This design means kat can always do decently even when behind if the enemy team plays poorly. However, it also means that kat can always do poorly, even when ahead if the enemy team plays well.
This is how it is balanced. You might see that as toxic, but it's the exact opposite in my mind. If the enemy team does poorly, they are punished, if they do well, they are rewarded. This holds true to a decent degree regardless of kat being fed, or kat being shutdown.
The other point I would bring up is katarina specifically spikes in the mid game. Her early game is abysmal and her late game is about average for an assassin. When she comes out of lane 0-3 and everyone is then fighting for dragon thinking "wow kat got shutdown, easy game" she's still probably strong than a conventional mid laner or ad carry. This isn't op, this is knowing your power spike. Ad carries have late game, mages have early game and late game. Assassins have mid game. That time where not too many resistances have been built, tanks aren't really full tanks yet, there aren't any GAs, zhonyas, banshees, or QSS built yet.
This is the time that assassins thrive, especially kat because of her reset potential. This is when you should be weary of katarina. "but she lost laning phase" she's supposed to, kat is bad in laning phase, yet she's still considered a good pick because of how great her mid game is. All you have to do is not get overconfident and keep in mind the fact that you haven't seen katarina at her strongest yet. You think a leblanc with only those items wouldn't blow up a lucian with those items? What about an akali, or a zed? Assassins thrive off of poor play, it doesn't matter if they were shutdown, if you're stupid enough to get caught or challenge things that you shouldn't during their powerspike, you will be punished for it, the same way an assassin will be punished late game by trying to dive the enemy carries if your team plays well and peels to some extent.
Critmaster Garen5 voteswhy does mf have grievous wounds? why does varus? if twitch doesnt have it, they should lose theirs.
this is basically your logic. and to answer your question, fizz had grievous wounds on a regular point and click ability. kat has it on her ult. and while the cooldown is relatively low in general, its still far longer than fizz w and she doesnt have it available for EVERY trade like he did. and the ability is easier to counter aswell, as you can actually interrupt it.
all fizz had to do to apply grievous wounds for a couple of seconds was to auto you only once.
if it had been on his shark, it would have been much less of a problem.
Jungle Lux God5 votesIs Katarina useful when she's behind and cannot kill someone?
Is Fizz useful when he's behind and cannot kill someone?
Katarina has no innate utility outside of the grievous wounds on her ultimate, and that's not always useful.
Fizz has a massive AoE knockup that he can basically throw out anytime his ultimate is off cooldown that allows him to be somewhat relevant, even when he has fallen behind.
Katarina and Fizz are two different champions. You cannot justify what one has when the other doesn't have it when he has something different for compensation.
lB2kGRlc8y3 votesBut she's so high skill cap, there's no way this won't break her, like how removing silence from LB made her absolutely useless.
Ancestor0072 votesAhem...... you might want to check that again. The Q_Q threads for LeBlanc indicate something else
Dr Birdie1 votesDude. Pretty sure that was sarcasm...
The Lexer1 votesIt was true at the time
Not so anymore
Ancestor0071 votesI suck at making the difference between sarcasm and non-sarcasm
lB2kGRlc8y1 voteslol at the downvotes, I didn't think anyone could take that comment seriously
FastAsHeck3 votesNO champin should have grievous wounds, they should be added to more items though. losing as swain vs kata is not fair just because she is kata.
Daeonic2 votesBecause X champion is not Y champion, so they are not as comparable. Fizz has untargetablility and more on demand mobility than Kat. Kat's mobilty is her E which requires a target, before you say "buh, buh, but SHE CAN RESET" that is gated by her ability to kill you. So she has less "on-demand mobility". Kat has ABSOLUTELY no utility besides her ult's GW. Fizz has a skillshot knockup, untargetability, %hp damage. Kat has raw damage and raw damage alone.
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Gengar1 votesMaybe it's just your specific situations where Katarina has been able to catch up even when behind. From personal experiences, anytime a Katarina fed/was behind, she wasn't able to contribute much to team fights because she could not get a reset due to low damage output / one simple CC move used on her.
Drunk Rummate1 votesKitarnio is a high koala-ty champion and deserves only the best. If you remove her Grievous Wounds then she will no longer be able to 100-0 mundo with 2 items. That's why it is necessary.
lightdragoon881 votesKat is on an Ult, Fizz was not.
ZombeezyJeezy1 votesBecause %missing HP damage on every hit AND Grievous Wounds on THE SAME ABILITY is bullcrap.
warpenguin5551 votesbecause fizz is more cancer
Poptart Evelynn1 votesIs no one allowed to have grievous wounds in their kit now?
Can't tell if trolling or actually stupid no offense.
