I love this "The Support can do no wrong" mindset we've fostered in the community

Catastrop··7 votes·1,132 views

I love how I while watching one of brother's games, the team did not nothing but rag on the allied Ez because he was "useless" and completely ignored the fact that the Zyra support played even more passive than a newbie Janna. She watched the enemy Vayne free farm and didn't even attempt to pressure her, instead kept trying to poke the Braum who didn't care in the slightest about her poke. This is also happening she's bitching at Ez for cs'ing and not following up on her misguided attempts at poking the meatshield instead of the hyperscaling monster 2 feet away that's getting all her cs uncontested.

Like, you can argue how much you want that maybe they were new to Zyra, but that's exactly why this sort of garbage keeps happening. People come to/get autofilled support without a clue on how to do it in the first place and when the ADC(or anyone for that matter) tries to give some constructive critique, it's seen as toxic and everyone decides to jump the poor soul who dared question the actions of the precious baby support.

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Marshbouy8 votes

People didn't even read their post. they just assumed you were a toxic ADC main and went on to go cry about how someone asked them to play a tank.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

lol downvoted again

i love it

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

GULAG 4 U2 votes

what r u smookin

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

nothing...

GULAG 4 U3 votes

I like how you respond with something that had nothing to do with what marshbouy said lol

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

marshmellow is my boards buddy... he knows the flack and hate i get and it was a comment to him how i got down voted once again... its ok if context that wasnt meant for you is hard for you to follow

GULAG 4 U2 votes

Rammus OK

Marshbouy3 votes

B-b-b-but the support can do no wrong!

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

i never do wrong...

so i dont understand this at all

Zen Fury2 votes

Supports can do wrong. I say that as a support main. But we also aren't your bitch either.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

lol i got downvoted in a post a few days ago for saying a support is not a ward bitch its every ones job to provide vision

support main here too

Catastrop2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zen Fury,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cPcXfwVd,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-11-28T02:12:07.962+0000)

But we also aren't your bitch either.

I never said you were.

Marshbouy1 votes

"gets downvoted anyway" Welcome to the boards dear friend.

Catastrop1 votes

Eh, used to it. I post everything knowing it'll either be ignored or a downvote fest. Not that I really care, internet points don't put food on my table.

Baby Ghoul2 votes

Suck it up. My ADCs are lame and annoying 75% of the time, but I still show up and do my best. I'm not gonna lick your boots either because marksmen have damage, range, and the meta revolves around them. There's no reason to feel sorry for you, and I already don't feel sorry for supports that preform poorly in ranked.

You can do a lot as an ADC. Getting to your destination isn't easy, I understand that, but don't act like you're not given the tools to succeed on your own. There's a reason enemies try to off you first.

If you feel you're suffering from a partner's performance, stick to CSing and objectives. Mute that person. If you see a fight being called, then go there. You can also follow around another teammate which is what I usually do when I'm the support and I got a bum ADC.

You aren't doomed as a marksman, and I'm not going to feel sorry for you. If you're looking to shift blame for your performance, which is natural, then that's also on you. Every time I screw up as Support I know there is something that I didn't do even though I had a poor ADC that isn't taking advantage of their gold, scaling, items, range, and damage. You are responsible for yourself, and you shouldn't care what others say.

Unless your support is trolling you by taking CS, feeding, and or KSing, then you still have a huge chance at winning. Playing the blame game in all chat is tacky and won't get you very far.

Catastrop2 votes

Here's another that didn't read and just commented a bunch of crap I don't care for.

Baby Ghoul1 votes

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Here's another that didn't read and just commented a bunch of crap I don't care for.

I did read what you wrote, and it was truly a cute story.

Clearly you're mad because you were toxic and got called out on it. Why else would you identify with that messy story?

I don't feel sorry for you, and I think you should learn another role if you're going to be this delicate.

Catastrop2 votes

If you did indeed read my thread you'd know I don't play ADC, matter of fact, it and jungle are two roles I refuse to play because I either suck at it/or just don't have mindset for it.

Baby Ghoul1 votes

{quoted}

If you did indeed read my thread you'd know I don't play ADC, matter of fact, it and jungle are two roles I refuse to play because I either suck at it/or just don't have mindset for it.

Your retelling of that story is so slanted that nobody can take it seriously. That is why you're getting downvoted. Your follow up replies illustrated your bias well enough.

That Ezreal didn't do poorly because of his support anymore than Zyra did poorly because of Ezreal. Trying to get in on the mud slinging is not admirable. I don't feel sorry for anyone who engages in that kind of behavior.

If you're engaging in it, then you're just as responsible. Playing the blame game is stupid, and thus this topic is pointless. It is toxic behavior no matter who does it, and as someone who played the whole last season as support and made it to Gold, I got blamed for a lot of stuff, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

Some of it was different from when I was a top lane main, but it's all the same scapegoating BS. People who are toxic are always going to look for an outlet.

Trying to target the support role like you are out of the goodness of your heart like you claim is laughable. You have an agenda, and people see it clearly.

Catastrop1 votes

Yes I have an agenda, and it's a valid one. Face it, people coddle you no matter what you do, and the ADC is always to blame for anything going wrong. And you want to know why I actually identify with this? I was once a support main too, through the middle of S4 to the start of S6, I know how it feels to get all the blame tossed onto me despite doing nothing wrong.

Maybe some people feel ADC's deserve it because Supports spent so long getting shit on too, but frankly I feel like no one should be blamed solely for all the mistakes made. I admit that I definitely put too much bias in my post, but frankly I think that bias got my point across well enough instead of sugar coating it.

Baby Ghoul1 votes

{quoted}

Yes I have an agenda, and it's a valid one. Face it, people coddle you no matter what you do, and the ADC is always to blame for anything going wrong. And you want to know why I actually identify with this? I was once a support main too, through the middle of S4 to the start of S6, I know how it feels to get all the blame tossed onto me despite doing nothing wrong.

Maybe some people feel ADC's deserve it because Supports spent so long getting shit on too, but frankly I feel like no one should be blamed solely for all the mistakes made. I admit that I definitely put too much bias in my post, but frankly I think that bias got my point across well enough instead of sugar coating it.

Nobody coddles me. Where did you get that idea from?

Your agenda isn't valid because you just contradicted yourself.

I was once a support main too, through the middle of S4 to the start of S6, I know how it feels to get all the blame tossed onto me despite doing nothing wrong.

So because you're not playing support anymore, all the toxicity stops? That's interesting.

I feel like no one should be blamed solely for all the mistakes made

Great point! I agree with you 100%, so don't engage in it with threads like these because you had a bad game. Move on.

Athenes Lulu1 votes

I main support and openly stated several times that they are also susceptible to fault. That went well.

OP is right, why is this thread downvoted? Oh wait...

Catastrop1 votes

I don't even mind, I pretty much posted this knowing it'd be buried under downvotes. I just simply had to get this out because it's a topic that's been festering in my head for a very long time.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

its not just supports its every person in every role they see a game go bad and they wanna rage and flame and blame others instead of looking at themselves and how they can improve and what mistakes they make

Catastrop1 votes

Critiquing the other roles does not lead to the same explosively toxic reactions as critiquing a bad support player though. I've seen people get reported unfairly just because they offered some advice.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

well the best thing to take from that is dont use chat... dont talk in game

just play it out... good of bad

move on

Catastrop1 votes

I'd like to do that, but for once I actually care. It's just such a terribly toxic aspect of the game and people don't even realize it, to the point that you're lauded for it. It's terrible, just watching some poor sod get thoroughly and unnecessarily grated on. I could mute them all, but I'm just going to have this awful nagging feeling in the back of my head.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

toxicity is directly related to the maturity people

this is an online video game majority of player base is male ages 15-22

not really known for their maturity

Athenes Lulu1 votes

You forgot to add the fact that support players are fairly toxic sometimes too.

Oh, the ADC doesn't follow up because it is obviously a bad time to do so? OMG ADC SO BAD! Or this. The classics of getting flamed because he's not the best farmer.

And then afterwards, SUPPORT SUCKS BECAUSE I DONT KNOW THAT I HAVE TO GET GOOD AT THE GAME OMG!

######Also I'm expecting this entire convo to become a downvote farm. Prepare some popcorn too!

Catastrop1 votes

Dem Raka players who die trying to hit a Starcall and then flame literally anyone who was even remotely close with ? Pings. Or Sonas who insist on going out of their way regardless of danger to hit their Q-Auto. It gets even worse is when both the ADC and Support start crusader raging in chat and spend more time typing than actually playing, honestly.

All this talk of supports is making me kind of want to start supporting again, I have an M6 Lulu token just sitting there gathering dust.

######Everything I post, I post it knowing I've offended someone, so my popcorn is always ready.

Athenes Lulu2 votes

That reminds me, another time I purposely made a thread literally honoring support players and that got mass downvoted because I didn't sugarcoat it.

It was funny.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

the sheep are real if you do anything to upset the herd you will be stampeded

Catastrop1 votes

Lmao, classic boards reaction.

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