vayne 1v5's better nerf kog.....

zarxus1234·Feb 1, 2018·2 votes·527 views

vaynes teammates were 10-35. But since its vayne one of the top 3 champs in the game. She almost solo'd carried that game. Kog maw can never come close to that.

But you nerf kog over vayne? Because who knows what your balance team is thinking.

Vayne hardcore carries more games as an adc by herself, than all the other adc's combined. Thats what needs to be fixed. That is why if you nerf an adc it needs to be vayne not kog or jhinn or mf or ashe. Its not that hard.

23 Comments

AR URFFeb 1, 20185 votes

Vayne has more outplay potential than kog'maw.

Zone of EndlessFeb 1, 20184 votes

didn't vayne already receive nerfs? The -AS and -ult AD?

HethaleanFeb 1, 20181 votes

I think just - ult AD

MãmbãFeb 1, 20181 votes

No it was AS per level gain as well cut by almost 1.5 per level which is pretty big. Not to mention their is no more relic shield abuse, and vayne was one of if not the primary benefactor of that bullshit so all of her old disadvantages have returned in full force (shit laning phase, can easily be oppressed by plenty of other ADCs)

HethaleanFeb 1, 20181 votes

You're right. Thanks.

RysophageFeb 1, 20184 votes

Vayne got nerfed stop crying. Kog is the best adc in the freaking game right now.

zarxus1234Feb 1, 20181 votes

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Vayne got nerfed stop crying. Kog is the best adc in the freaking game right now.

never seen a kogmaw come close to winning a game where his teammates are 10-35. Kog pales in comparison to vaynes power. Vayne can solo carry games kog can't. thats what need to be nerfed.

RysophageFeb 1, 20181 votes

54%+ WINRATE IN EVERY ELO. KOG IS BETTER THAN VAYNE. vayne has outplay potential but kog does way more damage than her.

MãmbãFeb 1, 20182 votes

This has to be a troll comment. Statistically speaking after Patch 8.2 her win rate has dropped back to sub 50% range. Vayne spammers are pretty much dead in the water, the days of infinite free sustain and vayne out trading ADCs that had always won laning phase against her (e.g. relic shield overheal + fleet footwork) is now dead. Her ult damage got nerfed and her attack speed gain on top of that. One vayne player who is decent or good with their champion winning a game doesn't make any of what you say factually correct.

zarxus1234Feb 1, 20181 votes

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This has to be a troll comment. Statistically speaking after Patch 8.2 her win rate has dropped back to sub 50% range. Vayne spammers are pretty much dead in the water, the days of infinite free sustain and vayne out trading ADCs that had always won laning phase against her (e.g. relic shield overheal + fleet footwork) is now dead. Her ult damage got nerfed and her attack speed gain on top of that. One vayne player who is decent or good with their champion winning a game doesn't make any of what you say factually correct.

her teammates were 10-35 and because she won lane she almost solo'd carried. Other adc's can't do that. Other adc's cant even come close to doing that. Do you see how that is broken? She wins lane therefore almost carries. Kogmaw doesnt even come close to the power level of vayne.

NemeBroFeb 1, 20181 votes

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her teammates were 10-35 and because she won lane she almost solo'd carried. Other adc's can't do that. Other adc's cant even come close to doing that. Do you see how that is broken? She wins lane therefore almost carries. Kogmaw doesnt even come close to the power level of vayne.

Kog'maw can easily solo carry a game with his current build that makes him unusually tanky for an ADC.

chipndip1Feb 1, 20182 votes

Vayne has been nerfed already. She's still a hyper carry. She'll still thrive in long games, and shit on you if you let her get items, since all hyper carries do that.

Also, you're a freaking Shaco one-trick. The hell type of fuckery is this? You fall off just as hard as she scales in. Of course if the game drags a bit she's gonna wreck face. You eventually just don't even count as a champion on the map.

Metal JannaFeb 1, 20181 votes

Vayne scales so stupid hard. She's like the Nasus of botlane. Even if you win lane you have to stay in the lane and keep killing her because if she's allowed to farm up for a minute or two while your team is getting towers she pops off and suddenly can 1v1 like she hadn't lost lane.

RysophageFeb 1, 20181 votes

She can always 1v1 she's a DUELIST AND AN ASSASSIN. HOLY FUCK MAN.

kaironenFeb 1, 20181 votes

Kog'maw can solo carry a game more often than vayne can atm. Vayne can solo carry games through mechanically decent plays (even if I don't want to admit it) while kog'maw can just press w and kill everyone.

Kai GuyFeb 1, 20181 votes

Vayne Can knock back Shaco. Koggles cant. Funny how you have issues once again with only champions who do ok vs your 1 trick, def not a trend in your posts.

zarxus1234Feb 1, 20181 votes

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Vayne Can knock back Shaco. Koggles cant. Funny how you have issues once again with only champions who do ok vs your 1 trick, def not a trend in your posts.

yeah you are right man it has everything to do with that. You are so right. Nothing to do with the fact that the vayne almost solo'd carried a game with 4 feeders like no other champion can.

you know what other adc's shit on shaco? vaurs trist and xayah... you don't see me saying those champs are good.

It is funny how you have yet to say 1 thing to refute anything i say.

Kai GuyFeb 1, 20181 votes

Best way to prove me wrong, Post the fucking replay here, you wont, because like every other time I call ya out your exaggerating or lying to players. Or you lack awareness of the game to the point your don't understand how the match played out.

Otherwise just going of numbers and timeline. Point 1. "vaynes teammates were 10-35." Point 2. "But since its vayne one of the top 3 champs in the game. She almost solo'd carried that game. Kog maw can never come close to that." Point 3. you have issues once again with only champions who do ok vs your 1 trick."

First off, end score for her team was. 27 / 39 / 52. Its misleading to not only remove the assists but to also go and remove her kills. Your thread title 1v5. Inaccurate, This is not a fair claim and can be disproven by simple looking into your match history. 4 feeders? Mostly just veigar. Vaynes team's KD with out him was 25/27 and apparently its ok to not list assist as a factor when it supports your point. (25-27-43)

Top 3 champions in the game? By what metric. My friend the burden of proof for this statement is on you, I don't have to back it up you have to prove it. What are you measuring Top 3 champions in game by? Let me head off a few, Looking at your Elo. Vayne overall win rat, for adc she is 9th. Damage? shes 14th Kills? 5th for adc. Deaths? 4th for adc. She makes it to top 3 in Picks, Bans, and Champion.GG Role position ranking. Koggles as adc? #1 for win%, #1 in damage, #2 in position. In almost every measurable metric he beats her.

Onto point 3 which is my call out on you. You don't make post on win or losses, you show up on boards tilted any time something was difficult for you. I don't like the exaggeration, I don't like your constant negativity, and I don't like you being misleading. You vs that vayne? you went 0-5 to her. Your shaco, it was a 32 min game. Your damage was closer to your Raka then it was to any one else on your team and that's with item 3031 item 3078 both being built. You did all of 11,914 damage to champs and your ADC got wrecked, did all of 18,661. And your trying to say that her team did not deserve a shot for a win? Veigar lost that game, You and koggles ALMOST lost that game. Good thing your Antivia mid went 14-4-15 and had 78% participation, Clearly she Solo carry 4 useless feeders am I right? where is rito when you need them GUT THE BIRD?

I could be wrong, expect to see me say this in every post I see from you, If you want to disprove me its really easy just post the replay. Don't want to engage with me, that's fine just ignore my post. Invite me to refute the inaccurate stuff your constantly speweing? Aight bro but only becuase you asked.

zarxus1234Feb 1, 20181 votes

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Best way to prove me wrong, Post the fucking replay here, you wont, because like every other time I call ya out your exaggerating or lying to players. Or you lack awareness of the game to the point your don't understand how the match played out.

Otherwise just going of numbers and timeline. Point 1. "vaynes teammates were 10-35." Point 2. "But since its vayne one of the top 3 champs in the game. She almost solo'd carried that game. Kog maw can never come close to that." Point 3. you have issues once again with only champions who do ok vs your 1 trick."

First off, end score for her team was. 27 / 39 / 52. Its misleading to not only remove the assists but to also go and remove her kills. Your thread title 1v5. Inaccurate, This is not a fair claim and can be disproven by simple looking into your match history. 4 feeders? Mostly just veigar. Vaynes team's KD with out him was 25/27 and apparently its ok to not list assist as a factor when it supports your point. (25-27-43)

Top 3 champions in the game? By what metric. My friend the burden of proof for this statement is on you, I don't have to back it up you have to prove it. What are you measuring Top 3 champions in game by? Let me head off a few, Looking at your Elo. Vayne overall win rat, for adc she is 9th. Damage? shes 14th Kills? 5th for adc. Deaths? 4th for adc. She makes it to top 3 in Picks, Bans, and Champion.GG Role position ranking. Koggles as adc? #1 for win%, #1 in damage, #2 in position. In almost every measurable metric he beats her.

Onto point 3 which is my call out on you. You don't make post on win or losses, you show up on boards tilted any time something was difficult for you. I don't like the exaggeration, I don't like your constant negativity, and I don't like you being misleading. You vs that vayne? you went 0-5 to her. Your shaco, it was a 32 min game. Your damage was closer to your Raka then it was to any one else on your team and that's with both being built. You did all of 11,914 damage to champs and your ADC got wrecked, did all of 18,661. And your trying to say that her team did not deserve a shot for a win? Veigar lost that game, You and koggles ALMOST lost that game. Good thing your Antivia mid went 14-4-15 and had 78% participation, Clearly she Solo carry 4 useless feeders am I right? where is rito when you need them GUT THE BIRD?

I could be wrong, expect to see me say this in every post I see from you, If you want to disprove me its really easy just post the replay. Don't want to engage with me, that's fine just ignore my post. Invite me to refute the inaccurate stuff your constantly speweing? Aight bro but only becuase you asked.

okay. I said her teammates were 10-35 which means she was solo carrying. Kog can't solo carry a game like that. Which is where the broken part of vayne is. You say im misleading you when i provide accurate information? Come on dude get real.

You seem to be under the impression that because i can't 1v1 a champ means i think they are broken. At least im being real and want a balanced game. You think because i lose to it means i think its broken. Which is ironic because we won the game against the vayne.

You can't even admit that vayne carries harder than kog and can solo carry games better.

Im not making it up that the winner of top lane has won 27/29 games. You can literally go to my match history and see that. Its not a coincidence that top of challenger is full of bruiser mains.

So i dont know. In your rant you didnt even argue anything against vayne carrying harder than kog.

Kai GuyFeb 1, 20181 votes

Accurate or not its misleading information. She was not solo carrying as its clear from participation her teammates where helping her and setting her up to do well. Your title "1v5" contradicts this, your attitude dismisses the entirety of her teammates. Veigar was the problem and largly why her team lost. Antivia on your side did awesome so you guys won. You parasite kills and failed to assassinate their adc once in a 30+ min game. Post the replay if I'm wrong. I can accurately tell people that I was time Magazine person of the year 2006, but they will be disappointed if the google it. Because they used a bad picture of me.

Your claims about koggles? Back them up. You wanna claim he is not a top tier carry show proof. "Kog maw can never come close to that. " + " Kog can't solo carry a game like that." Proof please? Cuz theres years of protect the kog showing his kit is entirely viable to bet built around as the main win condition for a team. You want to refute years of in game examples bring something to the table other then Because I said so.

Yes, that's my impression of you. "You don't make post on win or losses, you show up on boards tilted any time something was difficult for you. I don't like the exaggeration, I don't like your constant negativity, and I don't like you being misleading. You vs that vayne? you went 0-5 to her. Your shaco, it was a 32 min game. Your damage was closer to your Raka"

By what metric do you want to measure vayne vs koggles? Across the elos he has More kills, less deaths, more assists, more damage, less damage taken, and more cs. Every one of these stats (at the time of my writing) is true in bronze, silver, gold, plat, and plat+. Do you just wanna use your in game experience as the standard we judge the two of them? By almost every statistic youd want to use to measure performance in a champion koggles beats vayne, so hey nerfs might not be a bad thing.

The game will never be balanced around a 1 trick player. Build your pool, get some more depth to what your able to play. Or resign yourself to bad matchups.

zarxus1234Feb 3, 20181 votes

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Accurate or not its misleading information. She was not solo carrying as its clear from participation her teammates where helping her and setting her up to do well. Your title "1v5" contradicts this, your attitude dismisses the entirety of her teammates. Veigar was the problem and largly why her team lost. Antivia on your side did awesome so you guys won. You parasite kills and failed to assassinate their adc once in a 30+ min game. Post the replay if I'm wrong. I can accurately tell people that I was time Magazine person of the year 2006, but they will be disappointed if the google it. Because they used a bad picture of me.

Your claims about koggles? Back them up. You wanna claim he is not a top tier carry show proof. "Kog maw can never come close to that. " + " Kog can't solo carry a game like that." Proof please? Cuz theres years of protect the kog showing his kit is entirely viable to bet built around as the main win condition for a team. You want to refute years of in game examples bring something to the table other then Because I said so.

Yes, that's my impression of you. "You don't make post on win or losses, you show up on boards tilted any time something was difficult for you. I don't like the exaggeration, I don't like your constant negativity, and I don't like you being misleading. You vs that vayne? you went 0-5 to her. Your shaco, it was a 32 min game. Your damage was closer to your Raka"

By what metric do you want to measure vayne vs koggles? Across the elos he has More kills, less deaths, more assists, more damage, less damage taken, and more cs. Every one of these stats (at the time of my writing) is true in bronze, silver, gold, plat, and plat+. Do you just wanna use your in game experience as the standard we judge the two of them? By almost every statistic youd want to use to measure performance in a champion koggles beats vayne, so hey nerfs might not be a bad thing.

The game will never be balanced around a 1 trick player. Build your pool, get some more depth to what your able to play. Or resign yourself to bad matchups.

you would make a great politician. You dodge all the questions i ask you and just say the same thing with just different wording. Its k though. If you dont want to admit that there may be imbalances that should be fixed thats on you.

Kai GuyFeb 4, 20181 votes

I Challenge you to point to a singe moment in ANY OF YOUR RESPONCES you answered a question I put forward. Far as beiung evasive,just make a list and I'm happy to respond to every one of them.

I feel I have directly answered everything you have put forward as a question. In the interest of clarity please list a question you had that you feel I did not respond to in a satisfactory manner.

Note, if you provide some pointless excuse I will make an edit below of everything I viewed as a question that I responded to. If you dont want to engage further in this conversation then you can prove me wrong in a single easy step. Post the replay. Again no shame dipping out of this conversation.

PandeonorFeb 4, 20181 votes

Vayne has a winrate below 50% until minute 30 and raises to about 54% max later.

ADC´s like Twitch have a winrate wich is barely (if ever) below 50% and raise to 56%max later.

Jinx is better then Vayne also: http://champion.gg/matchup/Vayne/Jinx/ADC?league=silver&league=silver

So what to do if there is a hypercarry aka ADC in late game?

1.) Feed your own ADC more

2.) Make sure you end the game before

As a (or some) member of another board has written... no solo carries any longer. Team wins in terms of "the team wins wich feeds the own adc more" wich seems correct IF the own adc is decent and the team comp is ok.