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PSA: Mordekaiser has a very simple HARD COUNTER; This is how you beat him, as a laner OR jungler

Frontline Fury··48 votes·25,332 views

Udyr item 3091 This man will run you down. I'm serious. I never thought the day would come when one of the oldest, stalest champion designs in the League would be the optimal pick against a balance issue.

I am a diamond 2 top lane main. I take pride in being a very strong top lane duelist. I've been playing League of Legends since preseason 2. (That means the very end of season 1.) While i do not always win my lane, i am usually ALWAYS relevant - even if i go 2/14, i will ALWAYS be a threat to the enemy team and provide pressure for mine. As all top laners should. Only top lamers run ignite and depend on junglers to play their lanes.

Memes aside, Udyr item 3091 is about as much of a hard counter to Mordekaiser that exists in League of Legends at the current moment. If Mordekaiser leaves his turret, he dies. The only way he can POSSIBLY beat you at any stage of the game is if he runs ignite top, before you have time or gold to build any items.

This applies in the jungle, as well. item 1419 item 3091 Udyr HARD COUNTERS Mordekaiser. You can literally run him down, though of course if you are able to dodge his very telegraphed spells that'll make it even easier for you. If someone picks Mordekaiser, just pick Udyr and run the lump of iron down to the division he's made of.

Max Q and W. You max E last against Mordekaiser if you are laning against him. Your constant shields are much stronger than his one, long-cooldown one, and your in-built sustain coupled with the attack speed, damage over time and wit's end bonuses are completely unbeatable to Mordekaiser. You'll heal through grievous wounds. The only way for Mordekaiser to beat you is to depend on teammates to keep you off him. Provided matchmaking hasn't screwed you over completely, any time the enemy team gangs up on you your teammates should be making use of your distraction - or counter-ganking them, resulting in 3+ for 1 situations.

Champions like Fiora, Camille, Irelia and Tryndamere should on paper also be very good against Mordekaiser - but none of these are walking stat-bombs like Udyr. His key to victory is his sustain, which the others lack without expensive itemization.

82 Comments

Shmeeve52 votes

Next episode on riot boards: "People won't stop picking udyr"

Ragnaveil8 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Apex,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cO89Kven,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-14T05:02:03.970+0000)

Next episode on riot boards: "People won't stop picking udyr"

Or, "Udyr is so OP PLS NERF RITO"

Chewedon9 votes

Just came off a game with an Udyr on my team.

Mordekaiser was beating me top lane as expected and got easy 6/1.

Then he goes to ult our Udyr.

Big massive juggernaut threatening looking dude holding scary mace come out of death realm lying on the ground.

Too funny.

PhearBunny7 votes

really the counter to morde is... any MR item. As long as you have an MR item you can survive his ult, or just outright kill him in his ult.

Lovelle1 votes

I don't know, I've had trouble killing him in his ult and I often play Trundle. His ult just seems straight up stronger than mine in a duel. Normally have to wait on him to ult someone else and then go in and hopefully kill him. He's an easy kill for me as long as his ult isn't up.

Morde's new ult is the worst thing about dealing with him IMO.

RyzeRework1 votes

i think the best way is to wait for his ult to ult him, he steals a mount of your stats kinda like how trundle does the same. so whoever ults first loses

Lovelle1 votes

Trundle can outscale him, because Morde does get pretty beefy later on, but he's so dominant early on that it can be hard to get going if he gets fed on whoever he's laning against. Obviously Trundle isn't the one laning, since Riot has seen to it that the jungle is the only place he can go anymore.

Trundle can beat him 1v1 in the jungle, even early on, but Morde can easily turn the tides once he reaches level 6. Early game, Morde's ult is much stronger than Trundle's, but late game Trundle's is better than his.

RainbowIcee3 votes

who you tried this with that it worked and what were the current stats of that situation?

PhearBunny1 votes

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who you tried this with that it worked and what were the current stats of that situation?

He was level 13 Mordekaiser . item 3020 item 3116 item 3151 idr what runes. I was 12 Jungle Leona. item 3111 item 1413 item 3091 w aftershock.

RainbowIcee1 votes

but that's 2 MR items 1 fully upgraded and those are all 3 helpful tank items. Anyways you're not understanding the problem think about it. You're in lane vs morde and all his skills go through minions like butter. If you wanna farm something you're getting hit for free. He doesn't even have to go through the minion maze to harass you, and he can cast freely with no mana + he has build in sustain. If you're low enough that he can kill you with the ult you have no choice but to recall as you will DIE with nothing in the world that could defend you. Laning vs him is a nightmare unless the jungle camps him, even if you're range if he lands a pull on you or ult. You're in deep trouble. He is going to stay highly banned unless they do something about it. Most players wouldn't want to bother laning vs him.

Slim Gragas7 votes

"Some champions do better than others against a champion so that specific champion isnt broken and shouldnt be nerfed"

RainbowIcee1 votes

the reality is that if you are melee vs him and you are trying to farm he can freely harass you and even pull you while sustaining himself. He has an extremely safe and toxic lane. King of like old school Yorick except yoric had mana. This wouldn't be so bad if his numbers weren't that high but requiring items to beat him in a lane where he holds advantage in the farm kind of just makes him a champion you can't beat unless the jungle helps you or if he beats himself by doing something dumb.

Tr4shB4NSYST3M5 votes

That makes a lot of sense. Yi beats him as well after 2 items.

eremeier125 votes

Singed summoner 6 summoner 14

Hard core Singed main here with 1500+ games on Singed and reached Plat 2 & 3 on two other accounts last season.

And let me tell you how easy it is for me to destroy him in top. Mordekaiser poses little or no real threats to Singed un-like ALOT of other top laners such as Jayce Darius Irelia TahmKench Yorick Teemo Quinn Vayne Renekton Gangplank Gnar

Mordekaiser can't even ulti me without me just flipping him when close and running around spamming mastery's in the void while he gets high on my gas. His abilities are easily dodged as-well and has no real escape, stuns or gap closers that can stop me gassing him to death. The early turret plating and first tower blood gold add a nice extra gold income when you make him sit under turret wishing he banned him, giving you even more of an advantage while you proxy waves and let the minions crash into the tower.

I personly rate him as 3/10 threat and the lane is completely winnable without breaking a sweat. His entire kit just doesn't work well vs a Singed.

Thank you Riot for this glorious gift to Singed mains. item 2319

Xavanic4 votes

any fighter wins vs a jugguarnaut....this is not news to me

TwinkiePro26 votes

Isn't Udyr technically a juggernaut?

AstroFerrari 10 votes

He is actually

Xavanic2 votes

{quoted}

He is actually

he's not, jugguarnauts are Bulky casters, udyr does 90% of his damge through auto attacking

Meteora70720 votes

volibear is a bulky caster ...?

Xavanic3 votes

{quoted}

volibear is a bulky caster ...?

volibear is a bruiser....you do know bruisers and juggernauts are 2 different things...right?

Meteora70716 votes

well you are objectively wrong but you can continue on with your delusions if you'd like.

Xavanic1 votes

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Dyromic11 votes

{quoted}

bruiser = bulky fighter jugguarnaut = bulky caster, that's what i've boiled their archetypes down to....

Juggernauts are immobile damage machines with no or very little CC in their kits: Darius Garen Illaoi Trundle Yorick Mordekaiser Urgot

Xavanic2 votes

{quoted}

Juggernauts are immobile damage machines with no or very little CC in their kits: Darius Garen Illaoi Trundle Yorick Mordekaiser Urgot

see the problem this idea is, Skarner is a jugguarnaut and he has a decent amount of CC

nelogis11 votes

Skarner isn't a Juggernaut what the hell

These are the only Juggernauts in the game:

Aatrox Darius DrMundo Garen Mordekaiser Nasus Shyvana Trundle Udyr Urgot Volibear Yorick

These are the ONLY Juggernauts, there isn't any other one.

https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Juggernaut_champion

Xavanic3 votes

{quoted}

Skarner isn't a Juggernaut what the hell

These are the only Juggernauts in the game:

Aatrox Darius DrMundo Garen Mordekaiser Nasus Shyvana Trundle Udyr Urgot Volibear Yorick

These are the ONLY Juggernauts, there isn't any other one.

https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Juggernaut_champion

not quite sure when skarner just randomly stopped being a juggernaut, he was never drastically changed since he was updated in the JUGGERNAUT REWORK, this is a case of the wiki being wrong....

nelogis10 votes

Skarner is now a Diver, not a Juggernaut.

Poppy used to be a Fighter Subclass, now she is a tank. Reworks can shift the playpattern of a champion.

Same with Sion rework or Urgot rework

Pika Fox5 votes

{quoted}

He got a rework, he didn't always had those crystals on the map And never was it stated anywhere that he got reworked INTO a Juggernaut, he might have been one before the rework hence why they called it a Juggernaut update because Juggernauts got changed, doesn't mean every single one of them stayed a Juggernaut

..... That is literally the rework that MADE him a juggernaut.

Also, shyv isnt a jug. Neither really is udyr.

nelogis2 votes

okay, tell me how his kit comparable to the rest of the Juggernauts I posted

Zero Skill Tank4 votes

Basically, the intention of his rework was to make him into a juggernaut, but it didn't work - mostly because they kept the ult, which in turn only makes sense if he is able to move quickly, which a juggernaut shouldn't (juggs are defined by their low mobility).

Here https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/gameplay/taking-another-look-subclasses you can see that Riot themselves stopped considering him a juggernaut.

Predatorator2 votes

{quoted}

see the problem this idea is, Skarner is a jugguarnaut and he has a decent amount of CC

to add, id doesn't have the sustain nor the damage of the above: building AD will give up survivability, and viceversa

Leetri1 votes

Bruisers don't even exist in League, I don't get why people keep using that word. Bruiser is WAY too broad of a word and encompasses juggernauts, slayers, skirmishers and divers.

PB4UAME1 votes

No, bruiser is synonymous with fighter (or heavy fighter if you go off RIOTs original internal differentiation between heavy and light fighters, or bruisers and slayers) it refers to the subclasses of Juggernaut and Diver. Skirmishers and Assassins are both under the sub category of Slayer. To say Slayers and Skirmishers, then, is redundant as Skirmishers are Slayers.

Leetri1 votes

That's not what people use the term for however. For one, people call Jax a bruiser all the time even though he's a Skirmisher and not a Fighter.

PB4UAME1 votes

Aye, and those people are wrong.

People call Aatrox Garen Darius Fiora Illaoi Jax LeeSin Olaf Volibear Yorick Warwick etc tanks, despite the fact that not a single one of them is anywhere close to a tank, and all of them are offensive focused, melee DPS classes.

iPogoZ1 votes

{quoted}

volibear is a bulky caster ...?

Juggernaut are like Nasus Darius Mordekaiser TahmKench Urgot Trundle Nautilus (When he was a tank) Bruisers are like Aatrox Fiora Camille Irelia Jax Yorick

Some champions like voli, sion or singed could probs be argued to be juggernauts so it up in the air

Meteora7072 votes

well since a lot of people seem to be confused by this, juggernauts are bruisers so yes volibear is a bruiser but his also a juggernaut.

R107 Games9 votes

{quoted}

he's not, jugguarnauts are Bulky casters, udyr does 90% of his damge through auto attacking

Nasus Trundle Shyvana Urgot Yorick ????????

Secretly a Phos4 votes

Lol. Why pick against him when you can just buy a qss, kite, or run cleanse?

ChaosReyn3 votes

Aatrox .

Multiple knockups. Dumbshit amounts of sustain. impossible for Morde to get away from or properly engage on. His ult completely shits on Morde's "1v1 me bro" scenario because he quite literally cannot die and can use morde's own 7 second cc against him in every way.

And, he's actually viable. :P

BestPudgeNA2 votes

{quoted}

Aatrox .

Multiple knockups. Dumbshit amounts of sustain. impossible for Morde to get away from or properly engage on. His ult completely shits on Morde's "1v1 me bro" scenario because he quite literally cannot die and can use morde's own 7 second cc against him in every way.

And, he's actually viable. :P

Aatrox CAN actually die during his ulti read patch 9.9 notes bro Also how does that prevent Morde from pressing R on your mid or ADC instead?

Akali Prime2 votes

is there anyone udyr cant 1v1? besides a damn rammus maybe.

Frontline Fury1 votes

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is there anyone udyr cant 1v1? besides a damn rammus maybe.

Khazix and Kayn (Rhaast) give him a run (heh) for his money

Zoéasy1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Frontline Fury,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cO89Kven,comment-id=000e0000,timestamp=2019-06-14T18:03:12.924+0000)

Khazix and Kayn (Rhaast) give him a run (heh) for his money

This is so true. Rhast mauls him to bits. Really any high sustain like that does. (Aatrox is another massive counter)

Cain aD2 votes

kench destroys morde harder than ive seen a champ get countered in a while. garen seems to also work well, only problem with this one is you have to play garen.

Frontline Fury2 votes

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kench destroys morde harder than ive seen a champ get countered in a while. garen seems to also work well, only problem with this one is you have to play garen.

To be fair Kench destroys anyone right now, just because he's horridly overtuned. Tahm only loses lane when the tahm player themselves are making big big mistakes, multiple times.

Bronzsuo2 votes

Fun fact: Qss and any kind of CC removal will get you out of Mord's ult

Crescent Dusk2 votes

Darius is a straight up Mordekaiser counter (Darius's passive is a way better version of Morde's), and so is Aatrox. Renekton also does well into Morde since he can pretty much deny Morde's passive most of the time with short trades until it's time to finish him off with your ult.

O Fallen Scholar1 votes

Wait, there's more... Fiora

Frontline Fury1 votes

{quoted}

Wait, there's more... Fiora

You'd think so, but she is item reliant and quite squishy, not to mention going for vitals often leaves her isolated from her minions - if Mordekaiser can hit Q, he's going to deal a lot of free damage to her due to his stat-stick nature. He actually inherently outdamages Fiora, simply because she's squishy and he's not.

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