I'd probably still be a Zyra main if they hadn't deformed her Q and replaced her passive...

DiveAlive·1/16/2020, 10:31:43 AM·3 votes·2,595 views

That chick was my bottom bish 4 real.

-Q stronger, more satisfying, and longer range -fun and impactful passive -individual plants more impactful

Best of all no forced playstyle of aiming for random spawning plants, it just doesn't feel good, especially compared to her old passive, haven't touched her in years...

I really don't understand why her hard/late carry potential was sacrificed for a cheesy bot bully gimmick that falls off pretty quick when she used to be a proper mage that could supp and mid equally like Vel/Brand. Imo even her old kit was more than unique enough.

Haven't said this in a long time but, please revert Zyra.

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Tseison1/16/2020, 11:42:58 AM4 votes

I agree with you! [sg-janna] personally she’s in need of a kit adjustment . Definitely an increase to plant durability such as more health. Her ultimate should have its damage increased.

I’ve always seen her ultimate to be a reverse to Neekos ultimate in a way? Just minus some things. But yeah, she just needs some touch ups.

Hawt1/16/2020, 12:14:47 PM3 votes

She should be changed back into a mage instead of a support. I don't see her ever being used as support. Her support kit is highly outdated. If changed back to a mage, her current kit is outclass by other mages. Neeko is an upgraded version of Zyra in terms of damage.

Chortle1/22/2020, 7:20:52 PM1 votes

I played her extensively both before and after her rework. Zyra mid has always been a fringe pick because of how immobile she is. Her old Q shape was better for farming waves though.

Her new passive is significantly better than her old one. The whole reason she was reworked was because the passive was terrible and her plant mage theme wasn't being fully realized.

"Aiming for random spawning plants" is only an issue at lvl 1, any other time they are welcomed additions to your W seeds. Smart Zyra's can use their passive seeds in addition to their Ws to completely cut off enemies from fights. Old Zyra didn't have this option since her seeds were extremely limited. If current Zyra sets up at dragon before the enemy team does, her team has a significant advantage thanks to her passive seeds. Overall spawning an army of plants feels vastly superior to the 2 MAYBE 3 you could pull off with old Zyra.

I initially HATED the rework. I stopped playing League for over a year because of it. I mained Zyra mid and played her like a burst assassin. That play style was nerfed pretty hard with the rework so I understand how it's a rough transition. Coming back to the game I realized how much better off Zyra is in bot lane and how the rework gave her the added utility she sorely needed while adding to her character's overall theme.

Zyra is in a really good place in the meta right now as well. Just keep away from the hooking champs and you have a pretty decent shot [slayer-jinx-wink]

Illabethe1/22/2020, 7:43:30 PM1 votes

I've played her extensively in both and this version is FAR stronger than the last. Sorry.

P.S.

-Current Q's edges have a 175 range longer effective range than old. (The core range is shorter) -Suicide bombing is "so fun." -Individual plants lasted longer, but did less damage, and was in a meta where EVERY pet had HP bars, so this wasn't a Zyra Exclusive nerf; Malhazar and Yorick were also hit by this nerf

-She has higher late game carry potential than ever right now, because she pairs perfectly with Dark Harvest. I can 1 shot an entire team late game with her.....

-She can Jungle..... Top...... Mid..... Support successfully right now. The only thing is: people just don't CHOOSE to. They prefer Yasuo/Zed/Talon/Kat mid and have more or less shelved all mid mages except on rare occasions. They don't think of her as a jungler, even though she's one of the safest and fastest junglers in the game. They don't think of her as a top laner...... because who thinks to run mages vs a lane that often builds item 3065

GFREEMEN1/22/2020, 7:49:29 PM1 votes

And nerfed her Plants

Pika3101/16/2020, 12:26:43 PM1 votes

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwww..... You actually liked Zyra's old passive? It was decidedly literally the worst part of her kit. Worthless unless she died, on a champ designed to be ultra safe. Very poor damage, I don't remember it even having an AP scaling, it very very very rarely "punished" players for all-inning her. Very long charge time, very slow wind-up time, very slow thin projectile, enemies would frequently be out range before she could even utilize her passive. Reworking her passive was the best buff they could've given her.

Zyra's Q isn't meant to be "strong" or "satisfying," it's meant to summon plants & nothing more. As it is, they already increased its range, at least in terms of how close it needs to be to seeds to grow them. Q is a 1-point skill and leveling it last is her highest winrate.

As far back as I know, Zyra has never been a viable mid-laner, even on release. Rito quickly changed their approach to her to match the playerbase's playstyle of her as a support (something Rito almost never does today.) In fact, it wasn't until semi-recently that Rito has been caving in to the misguided & unrealistic demands of a tiny few players that want to troll-pick her into midlane, where she has never been viable. Adjusting her scalings, adding a "seed reset on minion-kill" that ultimately all came at the tradeoff cost of just nerfing support Zyra, aka her only viable position; all for the failed attempt at getting her into the mid lane.

How hilariously ass-backwards that somebody is demanding Zyra be reverted; under the guise of trying to push mid-Zyra; when her current iteration is matter-of-factly the most mid-centric & mid-"viable" her kit has ever been in her patch history. The logic of this thread is backwards & the voiced goal contradicts the suggestions demands. No. Zyra should not be pushed for mid, it hasn't worked & it can't work. Her "seed reset" needs to be removed & her scalings need to be traded for higher bases; in other words she needs to be balanced as a support, because she is a support.

I do agree that her plants should be more durable, specifically against dots. They die instantly to Fire Cape, an item that I never see bought except for specifically against Zyra. One item shouldn't make a champion useless & an armor item especially shouldn't be making a magic-damage champion useless. Strongly effective? Yes. Useless? No.

Sincerely - A Mastery 7 Zyra

Posui Gart1/16/2020, 11:17:58 AM1 votes

-fun and impactful passive

Excuse me? Even Kogmaw has better passive, at least because he can't miss it. And its still shit. Most "die to use" passives are shit, only Karthus is ok because he can actually do something in it, including uninterruptible ult

-individual plants more impactful

Even more than now? I don't know, losing 200 hp to kill a plant is already painful at lanephase. Its a plant, they are supposed to win by numbers, plant shouldnt 1v1 a champion