So who was in charge of reworking Aatrox?

Failog·Mar 6, 2017·4 votes·563 views

Who was it? I heard it was someone who never even mained the champion.

23 Comments

Mecha MaIphiteMar 6, 20172 votes

as though anyone from a small pool of people would main someone as underplayed as aatrox

Chibi BronzlifeMar 6, 20173 votes

You could randomly pick 2000 players and still not get 1 that mained Aatrox

GrymmstrikeMar 6, 20173 votes

With such a small pool, 2000 players, the odds are pretty good none of them would have ever even PLAYED Aatrox, let alone mained it.

Chibi BronzlifeMar 6, 20171 votes

I played Aatrox, but I liked to play him as a support

FailogMar 6, 20172 votes

Well then the should have really paid attention to the posts then. Worst rework I've ever seen. Took a weak champion and made him weaker.

Chibi BronzlifeMar 6, 20171 votes

he wasn't weak before, he had no early game, but became basically unkillable late game. Your statement alone makes me question if you even knew how to play him.

FailogMar 6, 20171 votes

These boards are so frustrating. If you ever read any my posts on various accounts I have always maintained that Aatrox was nearly in a good state, and quite OP in many situations.

His issues weren't strength. And no one was asking for him to be stronger in terms of damage output.

The changes don't fix his underlying issues at all.

RalanrMar 6, 20171 votes

What underlying issues?

FailogMar 6, 20171 votes

Aatrox is pretty much the only top laner with no defensive abilities, and by that I mean abilities that keep him alive while in combat while reducing or completely negating damage. The healing could be considered defensive, but its easily shut down with any reduction to Attack Speed or any hard CC. Most top laners have a block, shield, parry or built in resistances. Aatrox has none of that. Yes he has a revive but it really is not that great. Any Aatrox main will tell you that they would have rather ditched the revive for other defensive stats or abilities. Furthermore, as a diver he is behind because Aatrox's only hard CC comes from his dive. Unlike say, Xin who can knock someone up without using his dive. His Q is quite unreliable compared to many other dashes and blinks which are often uninterruptible, and his kit pulls him in too many build directions....and even more so now with the rework

RalanrMar 6, 20171 votes

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Aatrox is pretty much the only top laner with no defensive abilities, and by that I mean abilities that keep him alive while in combat while reducing or completely negating damage.

Beyond his sustain.

Most top laners have a block, shield, parry or built in resistances. Aatrox has none of that.

Yeah, he has sustain instead.

Yes he has a revive but it really is not that great. Any Aatrox main will tell you that they would have rather ditched the revive for other defensive stats or abilities.

Or a faster revive. Or better sustain

Furthermore, as a diver he is behind because Aatrox's only hard CC comes from his dive. Unlike say, Xin who can knock someone up without using his dive. His Q is quite unreliable compared to many other dashes and blinks which are often uninterruptible, and his kit pulls him in too many build directions....and even more so now with the rework

Well it's not like his dive ability is supposed to be better than others. By your logic, VI's diving would be bad because her hard CC is attached to it.

Aatrox needs some more work honestly and I think it would have been better to wait for the diver update instead since an update like this can't just replace abilities. Not to mention they need to find a way to balance his sustain without being completely obnoxious to fight against.

FailogMar 6, 20171 votes

Okay his sustain is not a reliable defensive ability as it is easily shut down.

Other top laners have great sustain. Ever seen trynd heal himself for tons of HP right before he is about to die? Ever heard of Maokai? Xin? Nasus with built in lifesteal? Volibear?

Other laners have sustain, AND built in defenses. The difference often is that they don't need to built attack speed in order to get that sustain.

Furthermore, he HAD better sustain until this rework. I was willing to accept that sustain was his defensive stat, and he would be fine if he got tweaked just a little in other areas. Now his new sustain is nowhere near as good. So its bonkers to call it replacement for real defensive abilities or stats.

I don't understand why you are fighting me on this. My arguments are correct and reasonable.

RalanrMar 6, 20171 votes

When his sustain was good (when he was good) he was overbearing, hence why he kinda got gutted.

Could he use another defensive ability? Yeah, but that's something that could require a bit more work than the attention he's getting now can provide (and since he can technically proc CoTC, it's not as big an issue). So in the meantime they're making it so he can build tanky to cover up for his lack of defense mechanics without fucking him over since they removed %costs.

And all of those champions can get their sustain shut down easily with the same 800 gold item. The problem is that Aatrox is literally built on sustain, it's not an added Mechanic to make him work, it's the mechanic that's supposed to define him. That's why it gets shut down so easily, because he's too reliant on it to function. At least now he can be a bit more durable.

He needs help, more help that this will provide.

FailogMar 6, 20171 votes

Yes, hence the rework is a total fail. Building tank on him? He already does baby damage, now hes going to have less autos and AD so he can build tank?

RalanrMar 6, 20171 votes

The more durable he is, the longer he can last in a fight and then sustain back up. The longer the fight, the better chance he has at winning.

Chibi BronzlifeMar 7, 20171 votes

^this, though technically that was already something I applied to Aatrox. He was never designed to go full carry build.

FailogMar 7, 20171 votes

Yes, but nothing about him works with building tank. Its like an ADC building full tank or something. He could be missing 99 percent of his health out of 4k health and still not heal up as fast as an off-tank Aatrox with the old triple heal

Chibi BronzlifeMar 6, 20172 votes

Also, just doing the slightest digging into what new Aatrox does, he's not weak at all. So ummm please take your trolling and go elsewhere. kthnx.

FailogMar 6, 20171 votes

Is not an issue of strength. The fact that you think the mains are really concerned about his damage output shows that you have no idea what you are even talking about. Go away.

midnight oil24Mar 6, 20171 votes

Chibi never mentioned damage. Read the post.

FailogMar 6, 20171 votes

Haha what? Dude I started this post. What are you even talking about. When I say hes weaker its not because of damage output. Its because none of his functional and utility flaws were really helped at all.

midnight oil24Mar 6, 20171 votes

I was referring to what chibibronzelife said.

They never mentioned a damage issue. they just said he's not weak in the new form.