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Knight Devout4 votes

Ignoring Exhaust. summoner 3 Ignoring Frozen Heart.item 3110 Ignoring Randuin's Omen.item 3143 True damage from Wuju Style, in combination with Last Whisper, makes both armor and health ineffective.

This and the nerf of all point-and-click CC, together with a resettable untargetability.

No, people won't stop complaining about a champion that only fights against the clock.

The only challenge as a Yi player is staying relevant until the point of the game where all resistances are futile. At that point, you are unstoppable, it's either cc on you or the enemy adc, both will blow the enemy team up.

AHeroNamedHawke3 votes

Ignoring Exhaust. summoner 3 Ignoring Frozen Heart.item 3110 Ignoring Randuin's Omen.item 3143 True damage from Wuju Style, in combination with Last Whisper, makes both armor and health ineffective.

This and the nerf of all point-and-click CC, together with a resettable untargetability.

No, people won't stop complaining about a champion that only fights against the clock.

The only challenge as a Yi player is staying relevant until the point of the game where all resistances are futile. At that point, you are unstoppable, it's either cc on you or the enemy adc, both will blow the enemy team up.

You'd think someone completely unstoppable would have a higher win rate

Knight Devout1 votes

Not my fault if most players just go in before cc gets thrown out. A smart master yi waits for the teamfight to start before going in.

Most people still play him like Suicide Bombing release Zed, and thus they fail. Remember when Zed was considered underpowered.

AHeroNamedHawke2 votes

Not my fault if most players just go in before cc gets thrown out. A smart master yi waits for the teamfight to start before going in.

Most people still play him like Suicide Bombing release Zed, and thus they fail. Remember when Zed was considered underpowered.

Release Zed was shit, he was only good when Bork + Cleaver was changed/added

Knight Devout1 votes

Or maybe it was people facediving 1v5 and not knowing how to Shadow juke.

AHeroNamedHawke1 votes

Or maybe it was people facediving 1v5 and not knowing how to Shadow juke.

Right everyone is just shit at this game I forgot

redniwediS3 votes

So for your example to be correct you have to ignore three things that greatly assist in shutting him down? Put a thornmail and a warden's mail on a bruiser and Yi is toast.

Knight Devout3 votes

forgot lifesteal? Forgot true damage on hit? Forgot that Botrk doesn't get calculated on thornmail damage? Forgot that a full armor champion will just get ignored unless it's rammus?

redniwediS3 votes

I didn't forget any of that, I simply remembered that any time I have those items on Garen I can solo a Yi.

Personal experience is kind of awesome like that.

Knight Devout3 votes

a 2/12 Yi, maybe. But even there, largely depends on itemization. Screwed over bruisers that were 10 kills ahead with just botrk and last whisper.

Plus, Garen, really? Why should Yi focus garen in teamfights? he can just choose whoever target is further from you, and that's assuming you have enough advantage to be a threat. Not like you have the same freedom in picking off targets.

FarRockBF1 votes

a 2/12 Yi, maybe. But even there, largely depends on itemization. Screwed over bruisers that were 10 kills ahead with just botrk and last whisper.

Biggest BS ever. 10 kills ahead is how much gold, 2500 about? You tell me which bruiser and I'll prove you how wrong you are.

Knight Devout1 votes

Renekton. He was 12/2, I was 1/7. went 2/7.

redniwediS2 votes

It would seem you're not familiar with Garen then...

I would be split pushing either top or bot as Garen, to the point of the enemy team having to send people my way. This often attracts a Yi if one is on the enemy team. A late game Yi will have to get through at least 300 armor after last whisper when fighting a late game Garen, which is no small amount.

In team fights my goal would be to silence the Yi before he can Q to a squishy target, and once everyone has gotten a few shots at him I ult. If I don't get my silence off I just spin to win and ult instead. A teamfight will always require proper focus.

Now, I would like to point out that I was only mentioning a 1v1 situation, you brought the team fights into this. In a 1v1 situation the only reason a full build Garen will not kill a full build Yi every time is because Yi can escape. If you are unwilling to take my word for it please try it instead of ignoring my points like most people on these forums seem to do when faced with contrary points of view.

Knight Devout1 votes

So your tactic is "I'm already useless in teamfight, may as well abandon my team?"

Plus, 300 armor, you are surely going to rape those towers my friend. Or maybe not.

At that point of the game Yi will kill. Doesn't matter the killscore, he will get enough gold from jungle camps to make squishies disappear. And i wonder who pushes faster between Yi and Garen... hmmm

redniwediS4 votes

Why are you picking apart my points instead of providing real points of your own?

All assassins will kill late game. So what? That is what they do, and it is not specific to Yi. All you are saying is Yi cannot be dealt with. I am saying he can with a provided example.

Your response to my example is Yi cannot be dealt with, and you belittle my points by talking about optimal pushing speeds? Are you a troll? No bruiser is going to base race a Yi, and you'd be an idiot to think so.

If you are unwilling to provide more than very basic "Yi is OP" talking points this little discussion is over.

Knight Devout1 votes

Dude, splitpushing as Garen against Master Yi it just ain't gonna work, you are slower, and you can't win the duel in any way because even if you go thornmail and fh he still ignores the attack speed reduction from fh, deals physical and true damage, and unlike a zed he can afford to be silenced once wuju and highlander have been popped . And that is when he decides to come to get you instead of just push with his team against 4 of your teammates.

redniwediS1 votes

Please reread what I said. Garen split pushing is to get Yi to counter the push. You are the only one who mentioned trying to out split push a Yi. That is a mid game tactic, later on I, as Garen, will be countering Yi's pushing.

I HAVE won duels against Yi under the conditions I have mentioned, so unless my own personal experience is lieing to me you are incorrect. Go test it yourself so you'll realize you're wrong here and stop using that point.

JustMyBassCannon2 votes

Lifesteal does jack shit to Thornmail. I've done the math a couple hundred times. The true damage doesn't benefit from Lifesteal at all. BotRK is still affected by Armor. Last Whisper doesn't ignore as much Armor as you think. It's not hard to stay well over 200 effective armor vs LW if you're actually building defense (and with Thornmail+Randuin's/FH, you're building defense).

FarRockBF2 votes

Yeah, like this guy. Lol. Sure Yi is a beast late game IF HE IS FED but so what? I play Annie; when I get fed (check my match history) I get multiple triple-kills each game. Is Annie OP?

Anyone fed is OP. Stop whining about Yi, build some god-damn armor, and make him completely irrelevant late game.

Jefftiffy2 votes

Until you realize WR doesn't = how good the champ is, basing stuff off of WR doesn't do anything. I mean look at Rammus WR and people don't complain about him. The difference is how toxic their kit is. Yi's kit is extremely toxic because it has the capability to decimate teams by himself if he is good enough. If he can't, he will just split push all game, and the only champ I have ever been able to out duel him with late game was with Jax.

Narasimha1 votes

Who on earth is complaining about Yi?

CaptnJakSparrow1 votes

I will show you the path P_O

FarRockBF1 votes

Haha told you all. These Yi guys. Probably threw a few games to him and now raging. Look guys its simple. YES WIN RATE MEANS EVERYTHING. If you don't think so then you need to go back to grade school.

Yi's win rate is <50% even in diamond. You are going to tell me that diamond Yis "still play him like Suicide Bombing release Zed, and thus they fail." ? What rank are you to be accusing diamonds of not knowing how to play a low skill-cap champion? I thought so.

ARKBLUE, your arguments are true for ANY Ad champ who builds BOTRK. And I can make the same argument about any AP champ who build voidstaff and rabadons. They will shred a team in seconds.

Stop feeding Yi early game and watch him be useless. Jesus...

FarRockBF1 votes

Renekton. He was 12/2, I was 1/7.

I'll assume CS was even. Maybe when I have sometime with a friend we will reenact this. But just messing around with numbers here.

Assumptions: Each kill was 250g. Both champs had 100cs at 20g a piece. Gold for time was 2000g (including starting gold).

Yi = 4,250 gold Renekton = 6,000 gold

Yi Build = Blade of the Ruined King + Berzerker's Greaves Renekton Build: Sunfire Cape + Brutalizer + Ninja Tabi + Warden's Mail + Giant's Belt

...

This will be fun to watch ^^ (I'll run the numbers soon)

FarRockBF1 votes

ARKBLUE, I expect you check this thread tomorrow. I'm going to record with a friend based on the kills you mentioned everything else being equal. Let's see who wins, Yi or Renekton.

Keevalroy1 votes

It's not that I don't like Yi, I despise Yi players. Mindlessly right clicking to their eventual death and far worse cases of tunnel vision than Udyr's on top of having about as toxic and intolerable of a fan base as Shaco mains.

Have you tried telling a Yi to group instead of trying to 1v5? Have you tried reasoning with one when they're wrong? Does it actually work in your games? In mine they're colossal headaches to try and work with, and most of them end up muted because there's just so much stupidity I can take before I start ripping hair out.

FarRockBF1 votes

I agree there is something about Yi that makes the "summoner" (what's that?) go bat-shit crazy. In s4 I mained Yi jungle. It was so hard to hold back from ult-Qing into a full HP enemy team. I don't know what it was but it was soooo god-damn tempting.

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