What exactly is the problem here compared to Vayne? I mean we look at these two and here's what I see,
Jinx's W on PBE 1.3K-1.5K crit
Vayne autos with silver bolts 1.2K true damage every 3 autos.
one has a cooldown while the other is just a giant middle finger to everyone, what exactly WOULD the problem be if Jinx's W actually did this? since Vayne's is actually canon in the game.
The Lost Marbles3 votesVayne autos with silver bolts 1.2K true damage every 3 autos.
Just FYI, you'd need to have 10,000 HP for Silver Bolts to do that much damage in one proc.
Also, unlike Jinx, basically all of Vayne's damage is single-target auto attacks. If she didn't have high potential damage, what reason would there be to ever play her?
(Though personally I'm not sure why Tumble's bonus damage can critically strike. Bonus damage applied from skills usually can't crit.)
Glîtchy1 votesJust FYI, you'd need to have 10,000 HP for Silver Bolts to do that much damage in one proc.
Also, unlike Jinx, basically all of Vayne's damage is single-target auto attacks. If she didn't have high potential damage, what reason would there be to ever play her?
(Though personally I'm not sure why Tumble's bonus damage can critically strike. Bonus damage applied from skills usually can't crit.)
That's what I mean, plus the true damage allows lifesteal to apply to it.
Also I was effected by it and wanted to test her myself, I let a Miss Fortune bot get full build and reach max level, then I engaged, 1.2K true damage + 800 damage.
The Lost Marbles1 votesThat's what I mean, plus the true damage allows lifesteal to apply to it.
Also I was effected by it and wanted to test her myself, I let a Miss Fortune bot get full build and reach max level, then I engaged, 1.2K true damage + 800 damage.
True damage doesn't apply life steal.
As for MF, I assume MF Bot builds Cleaver as her only item with HP, which at level 18 would give her 2375 HP. A single proc of Silver Bolts against her would only deal 285 true damage.
Your physical damage, with Tumble and critical strikes, would kill her long before Silver Bolts even mattered.
Glîtchy1 votesTrue damage doesn't apply life steal.
As for MF, I assume MF Bot builds Cleaver as her only item with HP, which at level 18 would give her 2375 HP. A single proc of Silver Bolts against her would only deal 285 true damage.
Your physical damage, with Tumble and critical strikes, would kill her long before Silver Bolts even mattered.
Tumble, Crit and silver bolts, I did this and BOOM dead.
Sett up 4my gank1 votesTrue damage doesn't apply life steal.
As for MF, I assume MF Bot builds Cleaver as her only item with HP, which at level 18 would give her 2375 HP. A single proc of Silver Bolts against her would only deal 285 true damage.
Your physical damage, with Tumble and critical strikes, would kill her long before Silver Bolts even mattered.
He is saying 1200 true damage with the tumble crit, however the main issue here is that ZAP is a fast moving extremely high range projectile that scales with 140% ad and does 210 base damage on a 6 second cooldown. That means with Iedge ZAP does 525 plus 350% AD damage from 1500 range away. You can literally go Iedge, Shiv, Essence reaver have a W that does 525 + 840 "100 base ad plus those items" + 250 from shiv on a 4.2 second cooldown. So 1615 damage before mitigation every 4 seconds from 1500 range moving extremely fast. Lets compare that to say pure ap nidalee. Ok so nidalee spear has the same range BUT it travels nearly 1/3rd the speed of zap. its CD is the same, and its damage is 130 + 40% ap + 200% damage at max range. Lets give nid 6 deathcaps and compare the damage, 390 + 1247 "770 ap, 50 from runes 720 from deathcaps" = 1637 So jinx with 3 items is doing as much damage as a 6 item deathcap nid hitting her much harder to hit spear at completely max range.
TLDR/ Jinx with Iedge Shiv Essence reaver does as much damage as nid with 6 deathcaps max range spear. Meanwhile nid spear travels at 1300 speed and jinx zap travels at 3200 speed.
Finn Teh Human1 votes
ThePikol1 votesYou are right. Jinx doesn't have true dmg, but people will butthurt so much you better prepare to get dowmvoted to hell
CrazyBear19871 votesbased on what i've seen from Vandiilr vid
Jinx can one shot from a very safe distance versus Vayne's 3 shot requirement at attack distance range.
Basically it lacks counter play and it literally a one shot if done right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQgZ4vw9xM4&t=0s
I expect changes or balancing, maybe a higher cooldown or lower crit
GULAG 4 U1 votesThe w is t without counterplay if you can dodge the skill shot.
Echeli1 votesThat type of comparison doesn't make any sense. Vayne entire kit revolves around her w. But jinx is swery strong with her aoe rocket crits (q) so she already has a very strong ability that her kit revolves around and by giving her w a crit she would have two abilities that do insane dmg. Its the equivalent go giving vayne a long skillshot with a crit.
Mysticman891 votesI don't think they really intended to ever ship it regardless of whether it was super op or balanced or not, and it was more an experiment in testing allowing relatively slow telegraphed abilities to crit. It may still return with some tweaking, or other abilities on other champs that work similarly might show up.
Although I feel like you're making this as more of a vayne QQ thread rather than looking for actual critting abilities being added.