Why are loss streaks punished and win streaks unrewarding?

Denerka·5/19/2015, 2:01:03 AM·55 votes·6,306 views

Let's say you have 60 points and gain 20 per win and 20 per loss.

Win streak: 60, 80, 100, Win Win - Promoted 0. It takes 5 wins to go up 40 points. You do not benefit from LP gain in Promos. Loss streak: 60, 40, 20, 0 - Demoted 75. Takes 5 losses to go down 85 points. You are harmed by LP loss in promos (yes, it's true).

Promos factored into this example, you win an average of 8 LP per game and lose an average of 17 LP per game. For a game that averages out at 50/50 W/L ratio, this seems a little stupid.

tl;dr: Promotionals have been stupid since they've been added in season 3 - still stupid.

48 Comments

Mandang05/19/2015, 2:50:05 AM7 votes

it's because promos are a giant waste of time.

Sairentosutoka5/20/2015, 1:28:43 AM5 votes

i just think if you lose your promo's you should be at 99LP so that even if you only get like 5 LP for winning you will still get into it.

i can't count the number of times after losing a promo being dropped to like 80-85 then only gaining like 11-13 LP annoying as fuck.

Ulquiorra9955/20/2015, 11:32:03 AM4 votes

I have said earlier why promos are extremely stupid and frustrating, and I'll say it again.

To advance a tier, you need to win 3 of 4 games - the game that gets you to 100 LP and 2/3 promotion games. To advance a division, you need to win 4 of 6 games - the game that gets you to 100 LP and 3/5 promotion games.

That means you need a short term win rate of 75% or 66%. Since it is extremely unrealistic to expect this high of a winrate from player, the promo system is highly dependent on luck. If I could carry 75% of my games I'd be in LCS by now.

Fewtas5/19/2015, 2:12:05 AM3 votes

Tbh, it would be extremely stupid if you gained LP in promos if you were still on 100 LP. The point of not getting Lp when you advance in promos is simply so you have to advance to the next tier. If you Got Lp from promos, that'd make the ladder too easy to climb. However, I do agree that they need to award extra for win streaks, say you win all three promos then win your next two, on the fifth one you get 30-40 Lp.

stvnstar5/19/2015, 2:33:01 AM3 votes

You don't drop down after the first loss at 0 LP though. You have to lose at least twice before so the math would be 60, 40, 20, 0, 0, 0, 75. That's 85 LP in 6 games. just under 15 per game.

edit - You also gain from a win in promos so if you win a game to go into promos win one then lose two you go down one game amount not two. So you only need to play one more game (and win) to get back into promos

Curling Veigar5/19/2015, 7:48:18 AM3 votes

meanwhile diamond 5

GuardDX5/19/2015, 8:52:04 PM1 votes

The amount of LP you gain is based on your current MMR and the MMR you are placed in, for example, my current placed MMR is much below my actual MMR, so I am recieving 24-28 LP for a win and losing 12-15 for a loss. Win streaks will increase your actual MMR which should increase the amount of LP you gain and decrease the amount you lose. It's a bit of a convoluted in practice but should produce similar results for both gaining and losing rank in the long run while helping to protect players from shooting up higher than or lower than they should based on luck.

Ryuku Cruxis5/19/2015, 7:35:02 PM1 votes

Well..what do you want them to do? Lose your series and be at 100 LP still , and then start another series right after?

You have to win some games to get back to your series if you failed it..that just...makes sense.

Cenobite Azaziel5/21/2015, 7:31:39 AM1 votes

Elo means nothing. You MMR does. With high MMR you can skip tiers.

lB2kGRlc8y5/21/2015, 7:46:50 AM1 votes

Winning streaks are rewarded with losing streaks though, what else could you ask for?

Nucleophilic atk5/23/2015, 1:57:19 AM1 votes

Also, I lose like 7 out of 8 matches and my MMR got shit. I then won like 8 out of 9 games and my MMR is STILL SHIT. +13 lp per win after winning 8 of 9 and being 55% last 20 games.

jaymc11305/23/2015, 4:35:35 AM1 votes

Promos were added as a way for riot to introduce opportunities for troll to maximize the effectiveness of trolling a game. Because players think lp matters and are striving to gain it to move up they become overly fixated on winning these particular matches above all others, making it very easy to antagonize the living hell out of them.

The truth is, the system is still an elo system, lp doesn't matter at all for climbing, just mmr (with high enough mmr you skip promos and divisions entirely), and the system was broken before they changed it to the league system anyways. Now we just have one broken flawed silly system covering up the hidden workings of another broken and flawed system.

We can keep bitching about it. Riots never listened or care and they never will. Or you can choose to exploit the current system which, although flawed, can still be exploited. Dodges cost no mmr, duo q is available, op.gg and lolking still offer third party resources that can allow you to escape a bad matchmaking. Use these tools.