How to bring Shaco back to the meta by a Shaco Main

Kraythax··2 votes·542 views

I love to play Shaco but he is quite a bit gimped and out of the meta right now. The problem is that Shaco can engage but he cannot disengage and he has very limited HP and cannot 1 shot players anymore. So the reality is that late game you are relegated to split pushing and trying to pick off champs but if they see you you will die in seconds. I think there is a way to fix him without making him OP.

  1. Change Q so that instead of scaling time give it a flat 3.5 second time invisible and instead allow the backstab damage to scale up based on levels in Q. The base 1.5 second is not very useful bacuse you cannot get in gank range and more than 3.5 is excessive. Instead Q should scale up his backstab percent AD damage 190%/210%/220%/240%/260% or something like that. I will let riot get the actual numbers.
  2. Change the boxes to work with AD. Shaco has some AD and some AP needs and you either gimp your E and backstab or you gimp your boxes. Its sort of a pain either way.
  3. Change Shaco's passive to be lethality base 1% per level in addition to keeping backstab from behind.

If they did this shake would be a much more viable late game champ as he would still be an assassin not a super tank but seriously deadly if you are not paying attention. He would still be a surprise assassin and not OP at the same time as being more viable choice.

9 Comments

Junglerz Fault2 votes

TBH I dont think anyone wants shaco to be meta again.... Only shaco mains lol.

Kraythax1 votes

Triggered by Shaco? :)

Warlord Rhinark2 votes

The problem is that Shaco can engage but he cannot disengage and he has very limited HP and cannot 1 shot players anymore.

So you want Shaco to be good at engaging/disengaging while also being a one-shotting tank?

Kraythax1 votes

The changes I suggested would not make him either 1 shot or give him disengage. He would still need the same skill to get in and out but won't be entirely ineffective when he gets in.

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes
  1. Would rather just have the Q scale stealth duration per level than this. Would completely get shaco nerfed again due to lengthy stealth from a rank 1 ability in the early game. No. This change would ruin the skill being a 2-point wonder, if they'd just fix the stealth scaling to be per level it could be a proper 1 point wonder.

  2. As long as they maintain the base damage and dealing magic damage, I could care less their scaling tbh.

  3. No.

Either way shaco is fine atm, highly viable as long as you aren't one of those complainers who refuse to adapt and just cry when something isn't laid out obvious.

Kraythax1 votes

If you are claiming that Shaco is just fine right now in this meta then the only possible explanation is that you hate Shaco. Triggered a bit.

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

Nope, atm due to several factors he's fine atm. Just that:

  1. Players think W is a useless skill past mid game and don't even know how to begin utilizing it for AD shaco.

  2. Difference in role for top vs jungle shaco atm

  3. People keep fully building the jungle item when it's just ineffective

  4. People are going in the wrong skill orders(Some still think Q is supposed to be maxed when it isn't even needed, esp if you're jungling correctly working with a blink+2-3 seconds of stealth is easily done)

  5. People are blinded by lethality changes when overall only duskblade was useful thus ineffectively building (now duskblade is essential imo but only as a maybe 3rd/4th core item) (Youmuus is kinda useful to a point but if I get mobility I tend to rush other core items) (Kinda less true slightly after the E changes I should keep in mind)

  6. People quite frankly think if what they always done isn't always working then it means he's trash. Thus I'm heavily convinced people just want to rage at riot for changing shaco and refuse to go back to being flexible. Hell I'd even go so far to say you have to put more dedication into choosing runes, masteries, items, skill order per match than most other champs

  7. Perception of changes, shaco got a massive utility buff for only a slightly weaker early game stealth and people refused to actually make smarter calls of going in to completely negate that. They properly removed the ratio from Q onto passive so it could proc more for ap shaco or if AD shaco got alittle AP through runes+masteries people think they completely removed damage from Q when it didn't even have damage in the first place(after the rework it basically just did an AA nothing more but riot thought it was a good idea to still include the AA damage on the skill).

  8. Finally the recent change to remove the monster killing power of shaco's E for more player killing power only if you're AD shaco. Yes that did kill AP shaco completely, however it was a good buff to AD shaco's killing power, having a bit of lethality, and really makes shaco's W a powerful tool when used correctly

  9. People lack deceptive natures if they don't play shaco often or feel it's 100% useless in all situations of you trying to escape and thus ulti isn't always used to the fullest for disengage purposes(Being too easy to tell apart because they refuse to actually practice)

  10. There are a few bugs on shaco still

  11. They don't ban properly, there are a lot of meta stuff yes, however when choosing to ban some just ban cause of feelings instead learning most matchups and only ban to prevent a strategic advantage over shaco with the extremely difficult ones.

  12. One thing shaco does take is pre-planning, Can't just Q/R anytime it's up, sometimes it's better to first get W going in several paths, R to bait out things or if you feel you can confirm enough damage save R to run away. But most really and truly believe shaco is this simplistic to understand and use champ. Which is also why I don't see better choices than shaco, but EASIER choices. People just lack the willingness that shaco needs to perform.

Overall atm I don't see shaco as being weak even vs double or triple tank teams, and hell if he's weak vs other assassins he can pull teams over the map and keep up heavy zone control and pressure late game as long as you pre-plan properly.

He can actually one-shot with 4 core items+boots late/end game on squishy targets, which led me to having a defensive item for the 6th slot although you have to properly and either split pushing with boxes aimed towards jungle paths or if I want to teamfight, I first make sure boxes are setup for teammates not just for picks which also functions well vs tanks.

Yes there are other champs who could do some stuff easier than shaco, but shaco overall is being made out to be this easy and simplistic champ which he NEVER was. Thus until I feel like other players properly understand him again, I'd rather them not give him anything he doesn't need.

Just changing his stealth to scale per level so Q is a true one point wonder and fixing some bugs is enough. But he doesn't need anything else atm. (Maybe this'll change when runes and masteries are changed since I doubt shaco can get as much hybrid potential from just the new runes reforged than the current runes and masteries

C9 Scott Free 1 votes

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  1. Would rather just have the Q scale stealth duration per level than this. Would completely get shaco nerfed again due to lengthy stealth from a rank 1 ability in the early game. No. This change would ruin the skill being a 2-point wonder, if they'd just fix the stealth scaling to be per level it could be a proper 1 point wonder.

  2. As long as they maintain the base damage and dealing magic damage, I could care less their scaling tbh.

  3. No.

Either way shaco is fine atm, highly viable as long as you aren't one of those complainers who refuse to adapt and just cry when something isn't laid out obvious.

Shaco loses so many games by being shaco. Every time I win a game with a shaco in it, I feel like at least 8 other champions could have been picked and we would have had a easier game. Every time I win against a shaco i often feel like his team would have been better off with a different jungle. I seldom play against shaco and feel like he's good. Even when I get cheesed by shaco I don't feel like he's good. The champ just sucks atm but I don't really feel like he is worthy of being strong with his current kit. The fear plus stealth plus the interaction with is ult make him an unhealthy champion with good numbers

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

Yea other champs can do some stuff easier, but some suggested ideas from this thread wouldn't be good. As shaco can still perform well and do his job, it's just that he's a high skill ceiling champ and most don't like putting in dedication along with some "mains" continuously bashing shaco for their refusal to be flexible like they use to.

From continuously using him and ignoring the other "fun" parts of shaco, I'd personally say you can't just go into a game just for the heck of it, shaco HAS to pre-plan and make decisions constantly even if it's just using W and where. People are somewhat right about other champs being easier in their decision making, but I just feel like it's not right to just think shaco isn't good due to how his kit functions with his synergy to several variables in the game.

I still feel his power to one-shot squishies, heavy zone control power, ability to still trick the enemy into dire situations and still has his ability to clear and gank.

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