I get it... This is why Riot is adding damage to Galio's W

Khristophoros·Nov 21, 2017·1 votes·554 views

Galio has a huge discrepency in winrates between people doing it wrong (the majority) and people doing it right.

http://champion.gg/champion/Galio/Middle

47.13% for the bad but popular skill order 78.75% for the high IQ leveling W before E skill order

It's insane. Find me another champion with that magnitude of discrepancy in skill orders, runes, or build.

Riot's solution is to give the plebs their shiny damage so they'll actually level the ability.

This is what it has come down to. The only way to get people to play a champion correctly is to spread damage across all 3 basic abilities.

13 Comments

JaspersNov 21, 20172 votes

Being picky time. Difference for that is 31.62. Heimerdinger using the same website (in the middle not top), Frequent skill order WR of 54.43. Highest winrate of skill order 88.89%, difference of 34.46.

... of course, it's a sample size of 99 total games where they added a point to E before maxing W. This is in the midlane only, top difference isn't nearly as high.

Very Hard EngageNov 21, 20171 votes

or ya know, give him an ultimate he can use in lane.

because the only champions who are balanced without in lane ultimates are Jayce Nidalee Elise and look how they've all been.

KhristophorosNov 21, 20171 votes

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or ya know, give him an ultimate he can use in lane.

because the only champions who are balanced without in lane ultimates are and look how they've all been.

Galio is already strong if you actually level W before E.

His ult is already one of the best ults in the game if your team has any teamwork.

He's still going to be seen as bad by players after this, but then when the season starts up pros will abuse him and people will see that they were wrong about Galio, yet again.

Very Hard EngageNov 21, 20171 votes

hes effectively worse in the mid lane than old ap galio. you would know this if you played him both before and after the rework.

there is nothing you can do to current base galios kit without making him feast/famine. hes either going to 1hko with 1 rotation of abilities or he wont. there is no in between for him.

KhristophorosNov 21, 20171 votes

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hes effectively worse in the mid lane than old ap galio. you would know this if you played him both before and after the rework.

there is nothing you can do to current base galios kit without making him feast/famine. hes either going to 1hko with 1 rotation of abilities or he wont. there is no in between for him.

With the correct skill order he has a 78% winrate and that sample size is over 300 games in plat+. That's actually insane. It's insane to believe he's not currently strong with that skill order.

If you're talking about before the rework, yes I did play him. His mana costs were way too high. I thought his kit would have been fine if they reduced his mana costs but I think they just wanted to delete him instead, that's why they never buffed him or addressed his mana costs.

Very Hard EngageNov 21, 20171 votes

low sample size, dedicated counter scenario.

there were days when sejuani had 100% win rates and 0% win rates.

KhristophorosNov 21, 20171 votes

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low sample size, dedicated counter scenario.

there were days when sejuani had 100% win rates and 0% win rates.

300+ games is not low enough to write it off. If a single player had 78% after that many games it would only be logical to conclude that that's a very good player.

And how do you conclude that it must be only as a dedicated counter? His W just owns in general.

Very Hard EngageNov 21, 20171 votes

it is when its 1 person doing all the playing in the right setup.

the E max is abusing its still relatively high base damage and comboing with lich bane picking on squishy champions. give it a couple of days and that WR is going to plummet.

if you actually read gg stats you would know the 78% build levels his E before his W. namely his dash/knockup, not his w. his w is still his last leveled ability.

KhristophorosNov 21, 20171 votes

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it is when its 1 person doing all the playing in the right setup.

the E max is abusing its still relatively high base damage and comboing with lich bane picking on squishy champions. give it a couple of days and that WR is going to plummet.

It's been over 300 games, that winrate isn't going anywhere.

Even if it's 1 guy, it doesn't matter. If one player has that winrate on a champ after that many games he's going to be destroying high mmr as a feared and well known OTP. 300+ games at a 78% winrate? That's absurd regardless of how many players are actually behind it.

KhristophorosNov 21, 20171 votes

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if you actually read gg stats you would know the 78% build levels his E before his W. namely his dash/knockup, not his w. his w is still his last leveled ability.

I see yeah. Well it's still a million times better than delaying W's second rank for level 14.

EkyonKunNov 21, 20171 votes

You're using Champion.gg, a notoriously inaccurate website. Here's a better look at Galio's skill order

http://na.op.gg/champion/galio/statistics/mid

You'll notice less insane numbers here.

KhristophorosNov 21, 20172 votes

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You're using Champion.gg, a notoriously inaccurate website. Here's a better look at Galio's skill order

http://na.op.gg/champion/galio/statistics/mid

You'll notice less insane numbers here.

This does not have a winrate for leveling W before E that's why it's got a lower winrate. W before E is better. You would realize this if you understood how additive damage reduction scaling works.

EkyonKunNov 21, 20171 votes

It really doesn't help that not even Champion.gg has both leveling E and maxing E before W as his highest win rate pick order. As well as a higher pick rate. You can check again if you don't believe me. The only reason maxing W first even had a high win rate is due to the LOWWWWWW pick rate. Same for why Mejai's often has 80% win rate on mages.

EDIT: Actually. Now the highest win rate is maxing E before Q.