want the "ranged" meta to end?

Very Hard Engage··2 votes·363 views

(its not a ranged meta, but you can entertain the idea, i still find a melee top/jungle 90% of the time, excluding assassins in the mid lane)

you pick leona/blitz/nami/morgana support

you pick mundo, maokai, malphite top

you pick jarvan, vi, nautalis, zac jungle

these are all viable options but you are the one choosing to play meta champs and you find yourselves counterpicked, thats it. its the only reason why 'the ranged meta" is so potent, because you picked a champion which lacks hard engage or sustain.

if you want to beat poke you pick engage or sustain, its that simple.

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Jax Cramer2 votes

Except Maokai, Mundo and Malphite are all bad vs ranged champs in lane but pretty good vs alot of melees.

Very Hard Engage1 votes

http://champion.gg/champion/DrMundo

yet here we see mundo beats vlad, ryze, teemo and urgot....

malphite beats quinn lissandra and rumble (surprisingly)

http://champion.gg/champion/Malphite

the issue is you're picking second and getting directly countered.

Jax Cramer1 votes

MUndo:

45% win rate vs Kennen 30% vs Lissandra 33% vs Quinn 44% vs Jayce

Malphite: 32% vs Swain 41% vs Vladimir 38% vs Kayle 49% vs Kennen

see I can pick stats too..nice try homie

Very Hard Engage1 votes

have you tried..... counterpicking your opponent? or is he going to intelligently try to do well in lane.

because liss beats panth 31.03% of the time.

xin beats heimer 16% of the time. http://champion.gg/champion/XinZhao/Top but somehow faker makes it work.

ranged/melee is not nearly as oppressive as you make it out to be.

Jax Cramer1 votes

QUestion to you...how often have you played melee toplaners in a serious game?

And you are really using 6 fucking games of Heimerdinger vs Xin Zhao as a way to decide how the matchup goes? Pretty pathetic.

Go tell me why toplane meta at worlds is Jayce and Kennen?

Very Hard Engage1 votes

i play trundle, rammus, cho, maokai in the top lane. (sustain and high armor tanks, literally couldn't care if they pick some aggressive cheese)

rarely ill consider wukong, sion, or nasus.

do you know why i dont completely suck on those champs? because i let them free farm, i dont try and take my gloves off and get in there. instead i wait for a gank or wait till im level 6. i let him push because he literally cant do anything else, i give up maybe 15~20 farm over the course of the first 10mins and so what if i have ~66. the important thing is im not feeding.

in the rare event i mess up the wave and im pushing and hes freezing im not afraid to go in and he can take minion aggro and then i just back out, making his 1 or 2 autos worthless while he takes much much more in return.

now i have a chainvest or maybe a little extra. or maybe hes ap so i have a specters cowl now. now i can fight against them reliably and win.

btw rumble is picked the most in worlds.

jayce > poppy > kennen > gnar > other

kennen is picked as a direct counter to gnar. and jayce is picked as a direct counter to kennen. however they're picked because they are safe and they bring much needed utility. kennen is neutral with poppy, and poppy trashes jayce. gnar is the best team fighter. and rumble is op op.

kennen is the only true ranged champ on that list.

bronze mentality = rush em even tho it failed 2x before and they have a level advntage, the people who complain about a "ranged meta" are just those who have no clue what to do to handle the situation.

if you are melee, your first item is a chainvest/spectres cowl and then you couldn't care less about what they are. but no, i bet you're a fiora/riven main who cant contemplate playing passive at all. its literally beyond you to do something other than "go in"

Jax Cramer1 votes

Ok...so in your first paragrahp you already admit you give up the lane for free and wait for ganks.

Thats exactly why ranged is oppressive because its literally the only thing yo ucan do as melee vs ranged.

DOnt try to tell me that is okay in your eyes.

Very Hard Engage1 votes

thats because im playing champs without dedicated gap closers.

if i were playing wukong i would E in, auto, Q, auto, and W out before he knows what hit him and im on the benefit end of the trade.

if im on cho gath ill lead with a silence then a knock up for guaranteed damage, passive just means so long as i farm i come out ahead on all non ability harassment because minions will destroy him early game.

if im playing trundle i again, dont care, % sustain, pillar and run at him hes not getting away and a Q will swing trades heavily if i get it off before he does anything.

im sorry you dont understand the situation, but unfortunately no amount of me explaining how to win is going to enable you to do it.

ChargeItDownMid1 votes

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Very Hard Engage2 votes

they actually do, the secret is to stop getting hit for free and abuse your completely all around higher damages and base stats, but you dont, you let them get away with it repeatedly time and time again.

if you go to op gg and look up any champ and their win rate you can see they dont have an issue at all no matter what the lane, there are many matchups where they are viable against ranged opponents.

lets take maokai as an example http://champion.gg/champion/Maokai

ChargeItDownMid1 votes

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Very Hard Engage1 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P8zkguOlxw

well faker can do it, i know that doesn't mean much considering you're not faker. but the issue is not melee vs ranged, nor will it ever be.

xin vs heimer.

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