Nasus + Graves bot lane

Laraso·Nov 17, 2015·2 votes·1,085 views

Playing against this as a support, like what the hell are you supposed to do, Nasus just presses W on your ADC and then Graves completely obliterates them, pretty much nothing you can do about it other than standing under your turret and never going near the minion wave. Once Nasus hits 6, you can't even do that.

I've seen this a couple of times now, they pretty much win lane as soon as Nasus presses W. Wither has almost no downtime and lasts an eternity, and exhaust doesn't really help at all since it's on a huge cooldown. The only thing I can think of is picking Alistar and knocking Graves away every single time Nasus tries to wither.

13 Comments

disregardableNov 17, 20151 votes

It's called kiting. Poking also helps, but kiting is the more important one.

LadyRenlyNov 17, 20152 votes

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It's called kiting. Poking also helps, but kiting is the more important one.

In OPs defense, how do you kite when Nasus is anti kiting you?

disregardableNov 17, 20151 votes

He's completely immobile with one slow. All you have to do is not overextend and stay a good ways behind your minions. If he starts moving towards you, move back.

Hyrum GraffNov 17, 20151 votes

Admission: I have never played as or vs this lane so I'm doing theory here.

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He's completely immobile with one slow. All you have to do is not overextend and stay a good ways behind your minions. If he starts moving towards you, move back.

That's a good tactic for not getting hit by wither, but what do you do when he does this every time you go to cs?

I've heard people saying Graves is bad at freezing. If this is true, than the answer is just to wait until they push to tower and farm up to outscale. If this is false, I don't see what options you have besides missing a ton of cs.

disregardableNov 17, 20151 votes

It's very true that he's bad at freezing. He's got the Tristana effect with more damage and range. Plus, I've only played with or against Nasus support three times, but he's really not very strong. His only good base damage is his spirit fire, which will run him oom very quickly. I get the feeling OP made some really bad plays.

LarasoNov 17, 20151 votes

It doesn't matter how bad Nasus's damage is, he doesn't need any abilities when Graves has ridiculous damage. He doesn't even need a wall to get both damage procs off of his Q when wither lowers you to like 10 movespeed.

Literally all he has to do is press W.

LarasoNov 17, 20151 votes

You can "kite" him all day but he just stays in front of your minion wave. If the ADC is in auto attack range then they're in wither range, they can stay safe but that involves giving up the entire lane and getting denied all of the CS.

EnosetcNov 17, 20153 votes

[{quoted}](name=Very Toxic Jinx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bhVUvi6q,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-11-17T04:17:45.769+0000)

It's called kiting. Poking also helps, but kiting is the more important one.

yeah just kite the wither lmfao

7ha7guy777Nov 17, 20151 votes

Try playing against Graves Lux.

EndlessSorcererNov 17, 20151 votes

Be Morgana.

Black shield the Wither.

Snare whoever tries to get close to your carry.

Watch the enemy team rage at Nasus for picking a troll support.

LarasoNov 17, 20151 votes

That's exactly what I did. The problem is, wither is instant; you have to time it PERFECTLY in order to successfully black shield someone. If you do it too early (once again, it's instant, you can't see it coming) then he doesn't wither and you waste your black shield and it goes on a 22 second cooldown. If you do it too late it gets wasted and it goes on a 22 second cooldown. You have to basically guess when he's going to use it and do it a split second before he presses W.

EndlessSorcererNov 17, 20151 votes

Did you pick up Mikael's Crucible? It doesn't help too much during laning phase, but it removes Wither and would be useful in teamfights.

LarasoNov 17, 20151 votes

That's the first item I bought after eye of the watcher. That's on a 3 minute cooldown so it isn't reliable, but does help save people from getting picked off every now and then.