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Fizz Sucks

Laraso··213 votes·9,538 views

I don't care if he's balanced, I don't care if he's popular, I don't care if he has a below 50% win rate, he's completely anti-fun.

He gets around the map faster than STD's in an orgy full of prostitutes, spends half of the time in fights untargetable with his E + Zhonya while outputting absolutely disgusting amounts of damage, impossible to run from or catch once he gets CDR, and his ult is one of the most infuriating things to get hit by, because as if it wasn't hard enough to run away from a Fizz already, it loads you up with all kinds of CC just to make sure you absolutely understand that you're 100% boned. Going out to ward and seeing that shark come from the other side of that wall, you just sit there and wait for that vile piece of filth to do his little handstand circus act and just plop on the ground and chunk you for 90% of your hp.

GOD FORBID IF HE GETS FED, it makes me literally feel like smashing my head against a brick wall until I pass out from the blood loss, people joke about how Teemo is Satan but honestly Teemo is literally Mecha-Jesus overdosed on steroids compared to Fizz. The only silver lining to his existence is that I have extremely intense orgasms every time he dies.

It's not even satisfying to win against a team that has a Fizz, delete Fizz please, I'd honestly rather 1v1 a full build full-ad level 18 Rengar as a level 1 itemless immobile ADC than play a game with a Fizz on the enemy team.

EDIT: It's actually quite hilarious how everyone thinks I'm crying that he's "OP", it's like they just completely skipped over the first line. I literally wrote it for the sole reason of making sure people wouldn't think that I'm saying he's OP, but I guess reading is pretty hard sometimes isn't it?

151 Comments

Beertaster71 votes

Up-voted as I share your hate for the assassin that hits and goes invulnerable, rather than hit and run.

Legendary Albert4 votes

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Up-voted as I share your hate for the assassin that hits and goes invulnerable, rather than hit and run.

oh you mean like Zed? that's assassins job guys, to melt you and vanish, that's why fizz is such a good champion. but at least he can be bursted down, ever faced a pro zed player?. pressing R and then cya.. wanna fight him? nope, he's back in his base tnx to his W.

Exactly9 votes

Yes Zed has ONE good escape, and that's his ONLY escape. (Keep in mind its about like a 40-50 second CD at max rank)

Meanwhile Fizz can dash every 3 seconds and hop every 4-5 seconds. (Not sure of exact numbers but the point is Zed gets 1 escape every mintue while Fizz gets numerous and multiple escapes dashes dodges etc. every few seconds)

RespectPlus4 votes

Zed gets 1 escape every minute

His W can be used as an escape, and has a 14sec cooldown [w/ cdr]

Baron of Bread2 votes

It can be used that way, but he generally wants to use it to increase his damage in the assassination. If the target is really squishy though then he can get away without using it.

Exactly3 votes

True, but I wouldn't consider that his "real escape" seeing as he can just be stunned or CC'd. Opposed to his ultimate where he can switch a HUGE distance.

When I'm playing Zed I usually don't use my W to "escape" I use it to triple Q, or to disengage a fight that I'm about to get caught in. As Fizz can E in, Q out and E again much more fast than Zed can W in, q e and he can't W out.

On top of that, Fizz can also use Zhonyas, which Zed cannot. Zed is good at escaping but nobody can beat the master Fizz at it, it's ridiculous how much invunerable time he can get if he's played correctly.

Baron of Bread23 votes

You forgot the part that he can run as he goes untargetable.

Kitten of Evil10 votes

And the part that his untargetable ALSO deals a decent amount of AOE damage. Because why shouldn't it!

hgjkdlsaf jeldvb3 votes

and slows

I Main Swain6 votes

maybe we should make it heal too, that's about all its missing

hgjkdlsaf jeldvb4 votes

item 3152 ?

jëw5 votes

Dude how could you forget the knockup?

iainB852 votes

The fact that it's one of his main sources of damage is good. It means he has to be smart about using it to engage, do damage, or avoid damage. Having to make decisions like that is a good thing.

That being said, I think the cooldown is a bit too low at rank 5 -- he can simply use it too much.

LICENSED HOOKER12 votes

_You _ forgot the part were he can press e (40% cdr ) item 3157 then press e again then summoner 4

Sooko19 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46TFyH0EovQ

jDVL20eCYs15 votes

i hate get pioncliekd 100_0 from annie that not even need to be fed. there is more counter play to fizz tuen most stupid burst mages

OnanThaMan15 votes

Point click cc/burst exists because of hyper mobility. Vayne, Fizz, Zed, and so on can't hyper carry/ do thier jobs when they go from 100% health to 15% health from one rotation of a burst mage who is fed, and frankly i would prefer to deal with a fed Annie then a fed Vayne/Fizz/Zed.

jDVL20eCYs7 votes

you honestly say its more counter play to annies point click combo 0.1 sec cc comb ? then fizz :)?

OnanThaMan13 votes

Its easier to itemize against an all ap burst with one stun, than an ap/ad burst with true damage/untargetability/ loads of mobility like these Vayne Fizz Zed.

At least if she fails to kill me she's blown her load, and is just kind of stuck there. I might be a little biased but if i die to annie i feel like it was my own fault for not respecting her range or her damage. Then say someone dashing to me and doing the same thing as annie but blinks or dashes back out minimizing the risk to themselves.

hgjkdlsaf jeldvb2 votes

I think you're confusing counterplay against fizz with counterplay fizz has against you. Fizz has mechanics to "outplay" you, but you have little you can do to him. Annie, while awful to deal with, is limited by short range and no mobility. If she misses her bear, she's also a greatly reduced threat, whereas if fizz misses his ult and e somehow, he still has a targeted dash that applies lich bane for some reason and auto attacks that hurt like hell. Annie also doesn't go untargetable without a zhonya, and has no notable ability to dodge both skillshots and targeted abilities.

LeeDark1 votes

Why? A fed Fizz or Zed kills your carry, sure. But a fed Annie kills your entire team. And without counterplay, really. Fizz's ult moves slow enough to dodge. Annie's? LOL, no.

OnanThaMan3 votes

If you lose your adc or ap mid you are at a big disadvantage in a teamfight. If you, as a tank, let annie get close enough to get her full rotation on your back line you have failed as a tank, as compared someone who is hard to pin down because of the mobility in their kits, I'd rather have to peel off an annie of my backline instead of some hyper mobile champ.

AIIan1 votes

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i hate get pioncliekd 100_0 from annie that not even need to be fed. there is more counter play to fizz tuen most stupid burst mages

I once played Teemo mid against Fizz. I totally denied him and put him at 100-200HP. Then he hit 6 and proceeds to 100-0 me in one spell-rotation.

As much as one can hate Teemo, you must admit he has no kill pressure. If you play safe and don't make mistakes, he can't towerdive you because he's made of cardboard and has no easy way to escape. Fizz, on the other hand - at this point of the game, he just steamrolled me all the way down to my base.

Biffolo2 votes

That's moreso a problem with teemo mid than fizz.

Mecha MaIphite2 votes

if i get ahead against annie at least i can kill her tho

LVL 5 PORO15 votes

I literally laughed so hard I shed a tear. Thank you OP, God bless.

In regards to Fizz ... yeah, everyone hates him. But being anti-fun and OP are two different things, and only one of them warrants a nerf. I still think Fizz is a bit powerful despite his recent buffs/nerfs. But if Rito wants to make him truly balanced, his troll poll should remain a 16 second cooldown at all levels.

Lady Hammerlock8 votes

or he could stay there forever once he uses it

Ultîma7 votes

I too get violent orgasms when Fizz dies in a game.

FistOfSharkiesha6 votes

I really don't understand why they give him any form of CC at all when he has an extremely low cooldown untargetability and massive mobility. He should have to make the tradeoff like Kat does.

Buppie2 votes

or zed

Keevalroy5 votes

Yasuo Kalista Ekko

I share your position though with different champions selections.

Heckin Support2 votes

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Yasuo Kalista Ekko

I share your position though with different champions selections.

Zed Tryndamere LeeSin

YossarianSensei4 votes

I don't find Fizz nearly as bad as Vlad

Fizz is much easier to shut down during lane and doesn't become an unkillable literal 1v5 hyper-carry once he gets like 2 items.

Kitten of Evil4 votes

U Vlad bro?

Unicky4 votes

Now I hate the fuck out of AP Fizz, but when I saw an AD Fizz, I was fucking done. Seriously, thank the fucking lord AD Fizz is gone.

Curling Veigar3 votes

Good thing AD fizz got gutted

slippykitten3 votes

The QQ because someone doesn't want to learn how to play against a champ again. Fizz is easy to counter, both in build and champion selection.

The problem isn't fizz, the problem is that you want to play a squishy immobile mage with reliance on skillshots, then build glass cannon. You cannot beat assassins that way, not much else i can tell you. You don't get to spam only one champ and not ever get countered, you don't get to build exactly the same way every game and expect it to always work. It's as simple as that.

Try cho, annie, liss, or even a straight tank. Build crucible, spirit visage, banshees, or even just a quicksilver to remove the ult.

Laraso4 votes

I built a Zhonya which I almost never build, specifically because of Fizz, but yea you're right, when I pick Vel'Koz support and the enemy team responds after the fact by instalocking Fizz, and then my mid laner feeds him during laning phase,

me and my AD carry should just build straight tank right? The way to fight Fizz is to never play certain champions and build tanky on damage carries? Maybe it was my fault for not dodging the que? #counterplay

Big Bang Bob3 votes

I just hate his ult. I could at least try to fight Fizz, but if he lands his ult, I'm a sitting duck in a barrel, that also happens to be filled with explosives.

I use to play Velkoz mid a lot a few summers ago, and I felt I could stand up to this guy, but all it took was one ult to blow of one of my summoners.

BallisticMouse3 votes

One of my issues with Fizz, at least in laning/early game, is how badly worded the turret's passive is. "Unique Passive - Dodge Piercing: Turret attacks can not be dodged" then Fizz dives, E's out 'negating' or, dodging if you will, any turret shots that may be following him mid air.

Yeah I may just be reading it incorrectly, and I think I get what it's trying to say, but man does that sound like it shouldn't happen like it does.

Pale Pirate2 votes

This was rather... Graphic.

Only Play Darius2 votes

There are many champions other than Fizz who were poorly designed and/or are horrible to play against due to a kit loaded with gimmicky or toxic mechanics Leblanc Nidalee Kalista Darius Olaf Vladimir Teemo just to name a few.

Thing about Fizz is he is technically balanced. It's just that he feels completely unfair to play against and winning against him feels like an uphill battle while losing against him felt cheap. You have to heavily punish every single mistake he makes in order to get ahead of him or else he will punish you for not exploiting his brief moments of weakness, it feels like you're playing his game instead of playing how you want to. Toxic as he is though, he is still "balanced" by loosest definition, at least it's not like S4 where he was still just as rage-inducing but had higher ratios and was legitimately overpowered.

DrNova3 votes

I don't get why Olaf is in that list

Only Play Darius2 votes

Permaslow as long as he can keep landing a very easy skillshot, passive potentially punishes you for doing well against him, true damage poke that doesn't draw minion aggro, ball of stats on his W and R, 100% impossible to peel during his ult similar to Poppy. You don't see him now because he's been nerfed to hell but back when he was strong he was horrible to play against.

Bídoof2 votes

Wow fizz below 50% win rate but he must be OP because he can assassinate people. Thats kind of his job. Assassins allready suck in this meta, get over it and learn how to deal with fizz

Laraso2 votes

"I don't care if he's balanced, I don't care if he's popular, I don't care if he has a below 50% win rate, he's completely anti-fun."

It's literally the first line. I swear, nobody in this thread knows how to read.

Xela Syab1 votes

y'know kayle can make anyone untargetable, and she's been getting nerfed way more than fizz.

MalzaharAnyLane4 votes

Kayle does not block CC, it takes one CC to invalidate her whole ultimate

TheMobius401 votes

Just curious, why do people rant about Fizz way more than Vladimir ? They have the same untargetable mechanic.

MalzaharAnyLane4 votes

Vlad doesn't spend half the fight untargetable, his pool CD is longer, and his ultimate only matters in teamfights, it's effectively a mediocre extra nuke in 1v1 duels. An AOE zed ult.

Vlad is an awful champion design for his own reasons but so many far more poorly designed champions have come out since he was nerfed into the dirt that nobody notices.

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