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The juggernauts are NOT in a healthy state right now.

Packun Flower··6 votes·1,005 views

Despite what Riot initially thinks, the new juggernauts are not in a healthy state and probably wont be for a very long time.

Garen Skarner Darius Mordekaiser continue to top the ban rates on Lolking and I think Darius is at an all time server record for most banned champion (Tied with Fiora right now) Since their rework these are champions that were given the power to single-handed carry games and were released in an extremely unhealthy state onto the live servers. A few tweaks helped but Riot hasn't addressed their core problems and now it seems like their being ignored altogether.

For a long time now I believe we will continue to see these champs take the top slot for bans on the live server and I don;t know about you but all these recent reworks have left champions really over powered. Fiora, Daren, Darius, Mord, Are these reworks actually tested before their release?

I have completely lost faith in the balance and team and whatever people rework champions.

Poppy is next right?

Lord help us all.

TL:DR the player base obviously finds these champions to be unbalanced and OP or the ban rates wouldn't be so high, and Riot continues to do little to nothing to put these champs in a healthy state. GG Riot.

13 Comments

Budupops3 votes

yes they r

LOL Spammer2 votes

I agree, since they came out the only banned champions are the new ones. That just seems messed up, and I mean I have never been a big supporter of adding more bans but with these new auto banned champions it gives a real reason to add more bans.

Subject 52 votes

https://youtu.be/DJkpGflXbWA?t=37s

This video expresses my opinion of Riot's logic

5 Stacks GG1 votes

so you have the same opinion as a cry baby bronze?

Vesarixx1 votes

The guy who makes those videos is plat, and also pretty hilarious

5 Stacks GG1 votes

it might be funny but complaing about juggs and saying "how bad adc must feel" is the most retarded thing i've ever heard.

Vesarixx1 votes

It isn't fun dealing with juggernauts as an ADC, they have the damage of a fighter and take about as much damage as a pure tank, it's pretty overbearing if you're playing someone without mobility.

TheHobbits1 votes

I feel that skarnar is pretty good. He could get some numbers tweeked, but as far as gampley I think he is pretty fun now. However the others are a swing and a miss. Why on earth would you give Darius a heal?

Sanguine Law1 votes

I absolutely HATE laning against a Darius. I mean I know he's meant to be a huge lane bully but you can't even poke him down without him just healing it all back up again. It just seems like the whole Yorick problem with him being anti-fun. Maybe I'm just not understanding something about him, or how to actually counter him but as it stands, until I figure out how to make the lane bearable without having to stand under the turret until he inevitably gets enough waveclear to take it out, he's permaban in my books and totally un-fun to play against.

CKwoka269471 votes

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I absolutely HATE laning against a Darius. I mean I know he's meant to be a huge lane bully but you can't even poke him down without him just healing it all back up again. It just seems like the whole Yorick problem with him being anti-fun. Maybe I'm just not understanding something about him, or how to actually counter him but as it stands, until I figure out how to make the lane bearable without having to stand under the turret until he inevitably gets enough waveclear to take it out, he's permaban in my books and totally un-fun to play against.

darius is quite easy to lane against.

Vesarixx1 votes

Wouldn't be so bad if Garens Q silence didn't go off before the animation, or go through knock backs.

Lugg1 votes

The juggernaut and Fiora reworks are probably the worst thing Riot has done. They are so ridiculously broken it's really sad. Garen is almost as tanky as before, but does about 5 times the damage. You could literally half the healing Darius has and he would still be the most banned champ. The Skarner mini game of crystals is horrible since it either makes him OP if he is in it or UP if he isn't. Morde is a train wreck and Fiora will stay perma banned until she gets gutted.

Betoldia Prime1 votes

Let me make this clear.... Darius Crappy kit, his abilities are so much easier to dodge right now, they TELL you when they are going to be cast... so MOVE your ass out of the way. And the easiest way to beat him is to do more damage than him, which is pretty easy if you pick the right champ.Fiora Irelia Olaf Poppy Vi Garen I will admit, this guy is just out of the charts, im more afraid of this guy than the other one. Why? Because their is no outdamaging a Garen... You might have the most burst champ 100 to 0 in 1 second, and you wont kill him, because if you leave him with just 1 life, all he has to do is back up, dance in your face, and regenerate, then return to clean up the thrash. The only counters i can find on garen are Fiora Irelia Renekton Because they can either destroy him with true damage, or they have a preety good sustain to make heavy trades and still MIGHT come out on top. Mordekaiser Hes only op if you stick right in his face, his biggest damage, will ALWAYS be his Q. So the best way to beat his is to break his shield by keeping yor distance. His E is on a fast Coldown, so he can get it back fast, but his abilities cost health, so just let him lower himself to death, then just go all in on him and mak him run for tower, or get cocky enough that he believes he can kill you, but ends up losing. Best counters areDrMundo Gnar Jayce Kennen Ryze Vladimir Skarner The only thing OP about this guy is his dumbass perma stun and his battle inside a Crystal, you avoid those 2 things and you have a pretty easy match. I cant give more detail on his abilities because i have only fought him 3 times since his rework, but ill tell you this, hes USELESS withought teamates or Crystals, fight this guy alone withought crystals around, and you will get fed fast. no matter the champ.

Side Tip, i have found that the best counter for these guys, is a JGShyvana, just land her E on then and jump their asses, stick to them and they will be deleted. Best combo item for her would be item 3930 item 3153 item 3748 . the attack speed and actives make her very dangerous to juggernauts. and with this, i Wish you all Good Luck.

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