If the champion is not Broken they will complain about it, Zed was balanced before now he is the straight up unlaneable. Why is riot taking soo long on fixing ADC but straight up makes lane impossible for mages?
Whoever snowball faster Zed or the bottom lane.
LL Stylish: Wow Zed is not broken, if I play another champion than Zed then maybe Riot will start buffing him. LL Stylish: Hey look many zed buffs, time to play Zed again!
The Bearded Bard20 votesI think my biggest issue with Zed is that even if you beat him in lane, he only has to kill the enemy adc one time for him to be back in action. Free AD off of ult kills is just too much.
Zed genius10 votesthat free ad is way less than it was before his nerf assassin update
Salron13 voteslevel 13 Zed roams and kills a lvl 1 ashe who has an essence reaver
Ashe would have 164 AD
Death mark gives him 5(+ 10% of her AD) which = 21
21 more AD Absolutely gamebreaking
Zed genius10 votes21 21 21
Jet Sett7 votes21 AD is nothing to scoff at.
Big Lincoln8 voteshe got more passively before the update lol
AMYS GRAVE2 votesSo more than two longswords worth of ad? That's 700 gold. That's actually quite substantial.
Also why is ashe lv 1 in your example when zed is level 13? Your example makes no sense and in reality zed would be getting more AD than that.
Saianna2 votesBecause if he said how much AD would averagely farmed Ashe net to Zed, then numbers would be scary ;)
KoKoboto9 votesWell his old W gave him Free AD off freeness so...
iDarkWind2 votesYou guys make it sound it's a big a chunk of AD, when in reality he lost his free 25% Bonus AD from his passive on his W to get that AD steal mechanic, wich most of the times won't compensate the lost of the old passive, unless we're talking about a MF or Jhin.
And also it makes it easy to predict wich target Zed will try to R and kill in every team fight.
Zed genius1 votesit doesn't really make zed predictable on who he is going to ult, because the amount of ad is so negligible most of the time that zed players including myself don't even bother going for it lol
iDarkWind1 votesNo it isn't. Depending on the ADC, the late game potencial AD steal is still quite nice, even if it's only 30-40AD. Of course isn't good as the 25% free Bonus AD he got, but still is decent.
Zed genius1 votesi mean if there is a priority target will less ad that I can kill, I will go for it, going for the highest ad target isn't always the way to go
iDarkWind1 votesI mean, of course. Just like when you need to use it to actually dodge fatal or CC abilities, I'm just talking in general.
34112354565218 votesIf the champion is not Broken they will complain about it, Zed was balanced before now he is the straight up unlaneable. Why is riot taking soo long on fixing ADC but straight up makes lane impossible for mages?
Whoever snowball faster Zed or the bottom lane.
LL Stylish: Wow Zed is not broken, if I play another champion than Zed then maybe Riot will start buffing him. LL Stylish: Hey look many zed buffs, time to play Zed again!
Unreal this garbage is being upvoted.
First off, even during the time where you claim he was "balanced" you have numerous posts in your history crying about him. The thing about circlejerkers is that even if zed is balanced, they will still cry about him.
Secondly, LL stylish didnt stop playing zed in favor of mages because of some secret plan to get zed buffed, he did it cause zed was unplayable in high elo and he was winning more with mages, its literally in his account history. He has a higher winrate with velkoz than he does with zed, so why the fuck would he continue playing zed if he is winning more with velkoz?
Why is everyone who circlejerks about zed with absurd untrue statements ALWAYS within the bronze to gold 5 spectrum?
Lastly, to the OP, can you find a SINGLE post, whether on reddit or the boards, with zed mains crying for buffs? can you do it? can you back up your claim?
Saianna1 voteseven during the time where you claim he was "balanced" you have numerous posts in your history crying about him.
Cause Zed overall is goddamn annoying to deal with. mana-less waveclear + easy CSing along with items that have in description "fuck all mages". Laning against him pre 6 is like watching shark in the same pool as you getting hungrier. Post 6.. Well, time to dine, ye? But even with all of that bullshit, he was least annoying to deal with.
Secondly, LL stylish didnt stop playing zed in favor of mages because of some secret plan to get zed buffed, he did it cause zed was unplayable in high elo and he was winning more with mages
Unplayable or not freelo? Anyways, dunno the guy, but overall in higher ranked all (or almost all) assassins are pretty much unplayable. They "abuse" lack of communication or weak teamplay or enemy msitakes, that usually don't happen at higher play.
And if he'd have decent winrate with Zed at those levels, then this champ would be hyper-toxic on lower levels.
As much as i like playing Zed, playing against him is just.... Not. Fun. Cause you know that either you lose and he farms on you, or you hold your ground and Zed goes to other lane for his kills. You can't win against him mid. Then you win or lose depending if you can shut down Zed in teamfight or whichever ADC have less of brain damage.
Zed kinda resembles yasuo. You can't outplay him. He can only outplay himself.
Incarceration2 votesLmao, if you were actually decent, you would see how much you could dominate Zed. Sadly, you don't understand how to exploit windows of opportunity.
Caidicus11 votesHonestly I dont care about zed until he reaches level 6. Then he either straight up murders me unless I buy a Seekers Armguard, or he goes bot so he can get free AD off the ADC.
Also I would like the point out that the ult basically encourages killing the ADC over and over again with it. Its like Veigars old ult where you will obviously use it on whoever build AP to basically nuke them.
Weiss Guertena20 votesOnly two choices when laning against Zed as a mage, really:
Also got to love how old Veigar's ult was so insanely toxic for using someone's AP against that opponent and that opponent only, while Zed uses enemy's AD against everyone (since it's a permanent buff and not on-spell effect) and it's a-OK.
Emo Twink3 votes[{quoted}](name=Weiss Guertena,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bX3REEqz,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-04-26T10:25:01.939+0000)
Only two choices when laning against Zed as a mage, really:
- Buy Seekers so you don't instantly die the moment he reaches level 6, so he just pushes you to your turret until you run out of mana trying to counter push and then he goes to another lane for a kill.
- Buy a mana item to be able to contest with his resourceless waveclear, get murdered once he reaches 6.
Also got to love how old Veigar's ult was so insanely toxic for using someone's AP against that opponent and that opponent only, while Zed uses enemy's AD against everyone (since it's a permanent buff and not on-spell effect) and it's a-OK.
honestly i might be ok with zed if zhonyas/seekers was as good as hexdrinker. a mage cant even kill him with hexdrinker, and he suffers nothing for getting it while we have, as you said, bad mana issues.
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Emo Twink1 votesYou want to tell me there's no difference if Zed goes dirk first or hexdrinker? Because that's extreme bs. Dirk is just too good as first buy, hexdrinker doesn't give the same damage as dirk and delays your powerspike. Just like seekers, there's no huge difference there.
He still gets AD and a mini shield to protect from our burst, and doesnt deal with mana issues. We get barely any armor that we need to stack with seeker's passive, all while dealing with mana issues. Seriously, who comes out on top of that?
Warlord Rhinark1 votesI mean. The addition of stopwatch must have helped prevent some portion of early Zed snowballs, right?
nuclearwarpotato7 votesAs a former Zed main who has recently switched to being a Xerath main i feel like I have a decent perception on mage vs. assassin. I think the the that gets most people is that when an assassin gets ahead you can REALLY tell as opposed to a mage who will still dominate the enemy just not in as flashy of a way. One major difference i four playing both these characters was that as Zed I pretty much had to make plays and outplay my laner or else I would become useless. As Xerath if i was slightly losing lane I could just wave clear infinitely and completely nullify the enemy's lead until I outscaled late game while if I ended up getting a lead in lane I could still snowball and carry games. Ive found it so much easier to carry as mages this season especially because there is so much less risk involved. Playing assassins was simple in the fact that if i got a lead I won the game but lost the game if I didn't get one. While as a mage if i won lane I was able to carry almost as hard but if I lost lane it was not an insta loss and I could still carry the game. I fell like people only remember that 4/0 assassin one shooting them but never remember that 0/2 one doing literally nothing.
TempName548466 votes"balance is weakness" 
DOUBLE TAPPED E4 votesunplaneable
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TheTrueQuarian18 votes[{quoted}](name=Sir Beefcake,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bX3REEqz,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-04-26T01:30:07.025+0000)
unplaneable
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He said unlaneable, as in you can't lane with him.
Boom killed your joke.
Rainfall4 votesthey want to give an assasin this year's ultimate skin.skin sales were slow this month gotta boost them with the balance team
AirKingNeo4 votesMEANWHILE IN MASTER/CHALLENGER a guy gets flamed for picking Zed because he can't waveclear and is fucking useless
Laceration2 votesit hurts :(
Zed genius3 votesLL Stylish: Wow Zed is not broken
hey where did you get that info from? Stylish has said over and over that zed is not balanced and that he has to be reworked
iDarkWind3 votesHe said that during a period where Zed was actually pretty weak, and you can't denie that. It was during the Ardent meta supports where Zed couldn't do anything because he could be denied so easly by the supports and instakilled by their ADCs. And even during that time, he didn't stop playing Zed at all.
If even LL Stylish couldn't suceed on Zed, who else would? Do you actually watch that guy playing? He's so fcking good and insane, yet if you check the most recent videos, he loses games where he's very fed even tough you guys like to act here on boards that if Zed is fed, it's a 1vs9 champion.
Shablagoo3 votesReally because he was trash all of last season and no one complained, I also didnt see a single thread before till they started talking about how the buffs where not going to do much. Zed really isnt hard to beat out of all assassins he has the most counterplay even for mages.
AR URF2 votesIt's funny because I've been saying for a while that zed is broken back when duskblade was op, but I insta got down-voted. Truth is that people don't know what they want anymore. They just like complaining because they like their victim status.
Hyquiem1 votesThey didn’t though. The mages that beat zed are now getting soemthing from the skill levels of 
and 
we destroyed zeds since we had something now we didn’t but riot gave us something. Finally for zed is the gold statues in the hall of hard to master but rewarding stop hating.
Incarceration1 votesZed was shit before his 2 buffs. Now he is a little over the top, but it's apparently okay that Janna was like that for 5 seasons.
Incarceration1 votesThe only possible reason to feel like playing against Zed is unfair is when he gets a hexdrinker. Hexdrinker is just too good of an item.
FabWarlock1 votesI agree. Zed has received too many buffs recently. He's overtuned and has too much damage with his combos. Even building armor doesn't really matter anymore. He shreds too fast. That's something that's been given to him this season and last season during his buffs because Riot thought that if people build armor against Zed they should be punished...
