Where do Cleanse and Barrier fit in?

Mister Modesty··2 votes·1,389 views

It's a rare occasion when a player brings Cleanse or Barrier to the fight. Which, almost makes no sense. I've grabbed Cleanse on Taric Support against CC-heavy teams. It saves lives! Have you ever been cc-slammed by the enemy? When you get caught, and the entire enemy team lands their CC to try and hold you down, Cleanse has got your back. Barrier is great for the same reason. Depending on your resistance, you can escape those heavy damage onslaughts as well. So, why aren't we seeing them be used more?

I really believe Meta is the reason. And we all know what I mean about Meta Summoner Spells. I will list 5 sets of spell combinations, and I bet you know the role before I tell you.

summoner 7 summoner 4 summoner 14 summoner 4 summoner 11 summoner 4 summoner 12 summoner 4 summoner 3 summoner 4

So- you probably guessed right. ADC Mid Jungle Top Support

It is said that Flash is mandatory for any role. Flash is substituted for Ghost given certain champions- and I personally use Ghost over Flash with Aurelion Sol (minion crowding can get in the way of a magnificent stun- and the movement helps chase the skill.. Sol players will understand)

I digress- So with Flash as the 'ubi-meta' (ubiquitous), summoners are left with one other choice- which also follows 'meta'. Meaning, we don't see a lot of opportunity for Barrier, or Cleanse. But- other than meta..why? I mean, let's say 'meta' wasn't the underlying answer. 'Meta' would still be the dominate factor. If a Support tries grabbing something other than Exhaust, the team mates will suggest Exhaust.

This whole 'Meta' for summoner spells makes other spells seem useless- when they aren't. Cleanse has saved my ass many times against high CC opponents. And in those circumstances, I don't see how Exhaust would have been a better choice. Note- I play tank support, so I should be playing to make myself the most accessible target. Exhaust is good if I fail in that endeavor. I'd rather assume success, and take Cleanse for stronger tanking. Even Barrier could be a good alternative.

So- I just hope people can get over spell-meta. If Riot intended for it, there wouldn't be options. Otherwise, I think Riot should do something to add to the effects of Cleanse and Barrier to eliminate this superstition. I mean- you could make them work in an AOE. Allow Cleanse and Barrier to affect nearby allies, and we might see a shift in spell choice. Something needs to be done. I'm tired of being harassed for picking a spell that's available for me to use, even when I explain how it works into my game play. The spells are there! Can we use them?

10 Comments

A Basic Island1 votes

cleanse is "okay" on tryndamere since it makes him so much harder to kill when he can just take offyour ignite

but then again, ignite only really kills super terrible tryndameres because even a monkey can use a full rage Q half a sec before your ult expires outhealing the ignite.

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

Barrier is a much stronger counter to ignite, and is used on immobile mages who shouldn't be going close enough to use ignite, or as a safer alternative to ignite

Mister Modesty1 votes

Cleanse cures you of Ignite. It cures Ignite, Exhaust, and any CC.

Abyssphere1 votes

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Cleanse cures you of Ignite. It cures Ignite, Exhaust, and any CC.

If you're worried about dying to someone who's bringing Ignite then it's usually a good idea to bring Barrier so you can block Ignite damage AND any other burst they have.

Cleanse is better against CC-reliant mids for reducing their kill pressure but if you're against mids without much CC then Barrier and Exhaust are better options.

DeloricVI1 votes

Well, a lot of people in the community adhere to this meta, especially at the lower elos. From what I can tell, well into silver, people still follow builds straight from whatever website is popular these days without bothering to consider the enemy team or other factors, and I'm sure that this extends to summoner spells too.

Honestly, I would recommend barrier to mid laners, because it gives you more effective health per level than heal, as well as top laners. Solo laners could really use this summoner spell, if they think they'll need it.

As for cleanse, I recommend it on any lane that could use QSS (for actual cc, not things like Zed ult that are unaffected by cleanse) but shouldn't build QSS, most ideally mid lane, but I could see it on top or support as well.

Catastrop1 votes

Barrier is there for protection against burst or champions who have no need for more kill pressure but need some safety in order to do that damage. Frankly I have no idea what you mean by "used more" in reference to Barrier, considering I see and use it a it a lot in game.

Cleanse on the other hand, I've never seen it...well that's a bit of an exaggeration, more like, I only ever see it like 5/100 games. Like I actually see Ghost more than Cleanse, and Ghost is only great on very few champions who really aren't played that much to begin with.

Amelie1 votes

I think Cleanse/Barrier are just niche spells, that's all.

I always take barrier on mid mages like Lux. People take it on long range mages like Ziggs, Xerath.

I see cleanse taken by ADCs when they're against something like Ashe or Sona.

Erockandroll1 votes

Cleanse becomes a little more popular in the LCS. Mainly in the mid lane against champs with really reliable CC. (Think TF's gold card or Liss ult.)

The main reason for doing this, is to prevent a gank. Many of these mage's CC, you can kite the spell range, But if they go ham. (Such as flashing in) That likely means they have help, and that's where Cleanse can save your life.

Nikoyopu1 votes

Some people (like me) take Barrier on poke mages like lux who usually wont be close enough to use ignite and hit their powerspikes after level 6. Basically anyone who wants to just survive the lane phase and will outscale their opponets. However its not often seen ATM because its an assassin meta right now and ignite is a major thing for them.

LightIsMyPath1 votes

Mm actually I use barrier on mages and cleanse when against hard cc

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