I just got an unraked Jungler in my Silver Promo, He averages 10+ deaths per match

Oxóssi·Apr 15, 2019·61 votes·14,355 views

And of course, he inted and threw. Repeatedly ulted into the enemy team without support, giving them easy kills and ultimately the win. Refused to group or go after objectives. We wiped the opps and had a chance to Baron, and what does he do? Farms enemy wolves. They rez and kill him.

Best part is after the match he tells us, his team, that we're taking the game too seriously.

Good job, Riot. Thank you for policing "toxicity" while simultaneously allowing trolls and inters to ruin matches:

43 Comments

4th3t0sApr 15, 201910 votes

Plot twist, he plays Karthus

DontLewdOriannaApr 15, 201910 votes

As long as he doesnt say any "mean words :(((" he will keep getting away with this.

RacoonHunterApr 15, 20193 votes

Not that. I've had several hate speech saying clans in my games and riot doesnt bother doing anything about it. Its pathetic really

DontLewdOriannaApr 15, 20195 votes

Just. Mute. Them. Its that simple. You cant do anything about inters, but if someone is "offending you" just fucking mute them.

IlluminatraApr 16, 20191 votes

that would require sensitive people to use their brains instead of their feelings.... i dont think thats an option.

some of these people would rather 5 afks in a row over 1 guy calling them a bad player when they go 0-10 20 minutes in :(

Cotten Eyed JoeApr 16, 20191 votes

He's not really "getting away" with anything. He's probably new to the game

THE HAPPY PUPPYApr 15, 20197 votes

This happens a lot to me where i'll see people on the other team with average or good kdas, and win rates, then on my team i'll have 1 or 2 people who seem to just jump into game and run it down. Matchmaking really doesn't seem to match up skill levels at all well, flex is REALLY bad for that. Matchmaking should be taking into consideration the overall performance a person produces and not just their mmr because there's far too often very 1 sided teams with one team having try hards and the other team having kids like you're talking about. But it IS possible to carry these people.

DisembarkApr 15, 20196 votes

Because your KDA doesn't mean shit. I've seen too many players that have "good KDAs" in my game that are so useless and are the reason we lose the game. Won't commit to teamfights, won't go for easy 1v2s after a teamfight is over cause they're so scared of losing their KDA. They are by far the most annoying players.

You can work with a Sion brainlessly engaging. Just follow him and allow him to create space, and use him to get good teamfights off.

You cannot work with the backline Sion who just sits at full health behind your carries and then just ults out after everyone dies. "At least he's not feeding".

Quil EvrythingApr 15, 20191 votes

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Because your KDA doesn't mean shit. I've seen too many players that have "good KDAs" in my game that are so useless and are the reason we lose the game. Won't commit to teamfights, won't go for easy 1v2s after a teamfight is over cause they're so scared of losing their KDA. They are by far the most annoying players.

You can work with a Sion brainlessly engaging. Just follow him and allow him to create space, and use him to get good teamfights off.

You cannot work with the backline Sion who just sits at full health behind your carries and then just ults out after everyone dies. "At least he's not feeding".

yes you can.

but it requires that you "work" differently than how you want to

DisembarkApr 15, 20193 votes

No it doesn’t. A KDA player means you’re actually playing a 4v5. You can definitely use a brainless player to your advantage. He’ll eat CDs and also he’ll engage anything and everything so if you keep numbers around him you can get 5v5s going.

Quil EvrythingApr 15, 20191 votes

this right here shows why you have problems. rather than trying to learn something, you just want to keep doing the same thingyou've been doing. It's been said "doing the same thing and expecting different results is the definition of insanity"

OxóssiApr 15, 20192 votes

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this right here shows why you have problems. rather than trying to learn something, you just want to keep doing the same thingyou've been doing. It's been said "doing the same thing and expecting different results is the definition of insanity"

What are you even talking about?

EonslegacyApr 15, 20191 votes

Judging that inaccurate and lack of evidence quote, arent we all insane for tryna Win anyway other than the first way we won? if that quote was truly accurate, then league would have 1 way to win no matter what with no real other results from either team. So no that quote cant be used as its to inaccurate.

EonslegacyApr 15, 20191 votes

You mean let sion get caught and then flank as they chase? Thats the best ya got tbh. ====If he does not get caught then you just auto lose, especially if you have a decent comp and didnt previously assume he was gonna be this style of play. or not play. This is more a not play style. I am not judging people that sit back and land spells in team fights, ----Its the players that do that back and forth motion outside of their own range, while not doing anything, also not running, then they have to end up flashing to escape something they could have prevented by either fleeing or fighting.

EonslegacyApr 15, 20191 votes

Not sure who down votes something as accurate as this. But when ya have a Chogath, malphite, and sylas with a vi r, and the enemy has 1 fed teammate a viktor with 20 kills, and everyone but 2 people on your team are also fed, yet he is allowed to just run around killing you guys, somethings highly wrong. Just got outa a game where my q did 1k damage on support cho, and i could easily kill the vik popping the zilean R, even through banshees viel, however, no one wanted to RE KILL him or Help me kill him the first time. resulted in him casually walking through me and my adc and my malphite as twitch and sylas (with zilean ult this time, uses it on his 12 deaths self). Fun times fun times.

GrimspeakeApr 15, 20191 votes

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Because your KDA doesn't mean shit. I've seen too many players that have "good KDAs" in my game that are so useless and are the reason we lose the game. Won't commit to teamfights, won't go for easy 1v2s after a teamfight is over cause they're so scared of losing their KDA. They are by far the most annoying players.

You can work with a Sion brainlessly engaging. Just follow him and allow him to create space, and use him to get good teamfights off.

You cannot work with the backline Sion who just sits at full health behind your carries and then just ults out after everyone dies. "At least he's not feeding".

I cannot possibly agree with you more. Id rather have a feeder engage nonstop then a carry run away

Quil EvrythingApr 16, 20191 votes

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I cannot possibly agree with you more. Id rather have a feeder engage nonstop then a carry run away

well there's your problem, if you think sion is "a carry"

GrimspeakeApr 16, 20191 votes

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well there's your problem, if you think sion is "a carry"

Anyone who gets fed is a carry. Read into the context of the conversation before u butt in with smartass remarks

EonslegacyApr 15, 20191 votes

My assumption is it finds 10 players of equal or close to equal skill, then fills them randomly into the teams and rolls.(hints the 5 man autofilled teams where everyone is the wrong roll but they all qued for 5 different rolls) This results in the 5 higher end players on one team and 5 lower end on the other sometimes which results in the stomp. The larger the matchmaking allows the players to be apart, the larger the stomp.

RacoonHunterApr 15, 20196 votes

At silver 3 I was constantly put with bronze 3 and 4 players in my promotion matches. I can honestly count the handful of times I didnt have a bronze on my team.

Matchmaking is crap. They needed to reset mmr when they dropped positional queues, but they obviously want people to fail. It's difficult when on your team is bronze 3,yet on the enemy team is gold 4s.. thanks riot.. thanks for crappy matchmaking

Cotten Eyed JoeApr 16, 20191 votes

Right so first, why would they WANT people to fail? Second, how would you suggest they fix matchmaking? Seeing as how it seems to be soooo easy.

G0dEmperorTrumpApr 15, 20195 votes

Ridrones be like "you were in the same game so you had the same level, you should focus on getting better instead of asking questions you aren't allowed to"

MessyStuffApr 15, 20194 votes

Ok, you have a voting bot on you, but otherwise I think you can just report them(sry for the bad game though).

eunekid420Apr 15, 20194 votes

The player you probably refer to just hasn't finished his provisionals this year yet... he was silver S8.

When do people stop making these totally pointless threads where they blame losses upon their team while they self are equally bad? OP has 48% WR in bronze. If you were any better yourself you would climb without problems.

It's not teammates/smurfs/matchmaking that prevent you from ranking up, in the end it's all about how you self play.

OxóssiApr 15, 20197 votes

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The player you probably refer to just hasn't finished his provisionals this year yet... he was silver S8.

When do people stop making these totally pointless threads where they blame losses upon their team while they self are equally bad? OP has 48% WR in bronze. If you were any better yourself you would climb without problems.

It's not teammates/smurfs/matchmaking that prevent you from ranking up, in the end it's all about how you self play.

How does his ranking last season excuse his going Sion JG, only to int, troll, and throw the match? The match before mine he had 11 deaths. The match after? Nine. Were those my fault as well? Further, If he hasn't played enough matches to earn a rank this season, maybe he shouldn't be thrown into an important promotional series?

People will stop making these threads when they're no longer punished by match making. I think most folks can suffer a loss to a good opponent without qualm, but to lose because your teammates would rather int and troll than play as a collective is extremely frustrating.

But if you're going to mention my winning percentage, also mention that this is my first season, and that I'm carrying a 2.40 KDA or better on the three champs I've played 10 or more matches:

https://u.gg/lol/profile/na1/oxóssi/overview

https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Ox%C3%B3ssi

65% win rate, averaging 3.12 KDA over my last 20. You'll have to forgive me for not being a Diamond level player that can carry every match, trolls or no.

EonslegacyApr 15, 20192 votes

I honestly liked the middle part of your speech. I would MUCH RATHER lose to FAKER than to lose because of T1 running it down mid. If the Best player won the match, I and most others would be ok with that, but thats not what happens. Its the player that is average that gets on the team that is also average that wins vs the team that is average that has the bad player. ------------This is because its a team based game and much like in baseball if you have a pitcher toss balls at 20/30 miles an hour underhanded your gonna lose massively no matter how good your outfield is bar them having wings.

EonslegacyApr 15, 20194 votes

Why do people think that when milions of these posts have been around for so long that they are ALL inaccurate and they are ALL complete lies? Always judged the same with "OP needs to "get Gud" he has a low winrate(obviously thats the point of the post). ------If he could hold his own teammates back and cause losses from his own lack of skill, along with all the others that have made these posts in the same rank, then are THEY by that very same nature, holding hundreds of thousands of people on their own teams back and forcing their losses? Does this NOT justify HIS post in that very same nature. If you honestly believe that he is holding himself back, then he is also capable of holding others back, and others him. If you honestly believe he has no impact on other peoples accounts and their rank, then you believe the game is truly just RNG, then why argue against him in such a way? The individual best player does not cause the game to be won as such its not truly a skill based game. -----Because of this it is truly based on teammates. This game is not so skewed as to allow 1 player to individually win every single game from just being good. Even champions that have over a 55% winrate are nerfed repeatedly to prevent abuse.

EonslegacyApr 15, 20194 votes

Meanie he just had a 'badgame' repeatedly and your calling him out on it ;") daz bullien oh wait no no no i got this You just need to "get Gud" and learn to "Kerrie" "scrub" and stop "blaming your team". Did i do well mister high elo sir?

LiL Bunnie FuFuuApr 15, 20193 votes

I'll agree as far as matchmaking is concerned. There's no reason why someone doing placements should be in the same queue as someone doing promos. That has the potential to put you at a disadvantage. But I also don't think this is a particularly egregious degree of int. I'm not saying that the Sion didn't troll, but I also don't think he was** the **reason why you lost (purely from looking at the post game stats). For example...

-your midlaner only had 3.9 cs/min as Ahri, which is pretty awful considering that I play midlaners with less waveclear and farm better in similar elo -your adc didn't farm either -support Morgana died 10 times (also built Righteous Glory instead of Zhonyas which is truly beyond me) -you only built 1 MR item against a super fed Veigar (I understand why you'd stack a lot of armor against their team though - I presume Veigar got fed later on)

my point is there's a lot of reasons why you lost that game aside from Sion. By your ADC and midlaner literally not farming they're losing a lot of gold and making the game harder for you to win. Also Morgana's build being completely horrible etc. etc. I've had my share of games w/inters, griefers, trolls etc. but this is far from the most egregious example (imo)

22 Caliber RifleApr 15, 20192 votes

The up vote bot back at it again I see?, either way this game is absolutely trash tbh, they put more effort into trying to get players to buy skins then trying to improve the game. I can guarantee you in the next 1-2 patches Rek'sai will get a new skin because she is "meta", then they will nerf her immediately after.

14daysuspensionkApr 15, 20192 votes

That's basically how Riot matches opponents against me in norms with my main.

Starcraft243verApr 15, 20192 votes

Looks like a standard plat/diam player to me.

Lazy GrandpaApr 15, 20192 votes

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And of course, he inted and threw. Repeatedly ulted into the enemy team without support, giving them easy kills and ultimately the win. Refused to group or go after objectives. We wiped the opps and had a chance to Baron, and what does he do? Farms enemy wolves. They rez and kill him.

Best part is after the match he tells us, his team, that we're taking the game too seriously.

Good job, Riot. Thank you for policing "toxicity" while simultaneously allowing trolls and inters to ruin matches:

https://u.gg/lol/profile/na1/oxóssi/match/9_7/3021175341/

why does he have the highest carry score in the game xD. maybe you should care a little less though, 1 loss and it wasn't even such a bad one, yet you decided it was so serious to make a topic about it. the dude had a bad game or maybe he doesn't even belong there. you're in bronze 1, anything people call inting these days is par for the course there, bronze wouldn't know any better

EonslegacyApr 15, 20194 votes

Most people get upset after 10/20/30 losses like this. It gets frustrating if you start noticing the pattern. its not inting thats the problem, its causing 4 other peoples skill to be irrelevant because of how low yours/his/its is for over 30 mins.

SmokeeMcCloudApr 15, 20192 votes

So? You should just get good and carry.

GripaAviaraApr 15, 20192 votes

Everybody: We need a fix for new players getting in silver

Nobody: Riot: We added Iron as a new division for new players, but the new accounts still get in silver

Metal JannaApr 16, 20192 votes

Had a 48% WR Silver 3 jungler in one my Gold IV ranked games. Ganks mid level 2, dies. Begins flaming mid. Doesn't gank mid anymore. Or any lane for that matter. "FF at 15" Flames every single teammate who dies, doesn't fight anything or anyone. Needless to say we lost.

If you're going to be that guy... Don't queue back up. If you can only play when you're ahead, in a position to carry personally, then you aren't team player enough to play this game. If you're going to ruin five people's game because you have a problem with one of them, you aren't mature enough to play this game. Come back when you're no longer a child.

CorruptedScytheApr 15, 20191 votes

I average 8, but I have a 70% winrate on my Jinx. Aggressive plays. Risk = Reward. [slayer-jinx-catface]

https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=CorruptedScythe

EyesOfTheFoxApr 15, 20191 votes

Silver really isn't much different from Bronze and Gold. So this vent sounds a lot like every game at that elo.

hunterviciousApr 15, 20191 votes

You are B1 and he’s B3 it’s a balance matchmaking. Broken matchmaking is when you are Plat 3 and have Gold 3 teammates.

RunesnagApr 15, 20191 votes

I started my promos on an account I finished silver 4-5 on last season. Was gonna try some jungle. I got put into a gold match. I am barely gold quality in support and top where I normally play. I am NOT a gold quality jungler. I am probably an iron jungler which is why I try jungle on a diff account so that I don't put my nonsense into lower silver and high gold matches. I still feel sorry for my team.

Doc StrangeApr 16, 20191 votes

Hey dude, it happens, I get those in my promos too. I lose them but I do comeback and win the promos again. its not the end :)

Acekill3rApr 16, 20191 votes

Well i got a bronze player in gold mmr elo, he was being boosted by a 90% win ratio guy, we lost because this bronze guy (jungler) wasn't decent enough to be carried by 3 stomping lanes, yes, he alone made the game impossible to win,. Sometime i wonder how Riot manages to let such different skill level people join the same game.

At least i am happy that he paid to get boosted and not only it is going very slow but he is making the a booster guy going crazy probably.