Kleptomancy is the most fun, satisfying mastery i've ever used

Frontline Fury·Nov 8, 2017·16 votes·2,604 views

Plz dont nerf. If you are going to change anything, add even more items to satisfy the loot hoarder in me. :^)

42 Comments

OkumaNov 8, 20171 votes

It's a really fun keystone, but I'm pretty sure they'll nerf it.

Frontline FuryNov 8, 20172 votes

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It's a really fun keystone, but I'm pretty sure they'll nerf it.

Yeah, those are my worries as well. Which is why i hope to push for making every mastery as strong as it rather than weakening it.

OkumaNov 8, 20173 votes

Well it's quite overtuned, don't you think?

Frontline FuryNov 8, 20172 votes

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Well it's quite overtuned, don't you think?

I'm not sure. It encourages extremely risky play where you are forced to basic attack opponents after using a spell (similar to a sheen proc). As a reward for the risk you take, you have a chance to steal an item (but not really) from the player you strike. This mastery does not give any combat benefits, and as such picking it means you opt out of late game power in favour of (mainly) lane benefits.

It promotes a very unique hit & run strategy that at the same time does not snowball the wielder. I think this is exactly what keystones should be all about.

OkumaNov 8, 20171 votes

Yeah you're right. It's such a versatile keystone. It's literally my favorite keystone out of the bunch.

D2VincentNov 8, 20172 votes

supposedly it's OP on GP.

Might have to try it on some sort of Karthus build thanks to the Q Spam

HåppyNov 8, 20172 votes

It also really fits in to the theme of GP. Pirates steal, always!

Frontline FuryNov 8, 20171 votes

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supposedly it's OP on GP.

Might have to try it on some sort of Karthus build thanks to the Q Spam

Makes sense for it to work well on champions like GP. That is not a bad thing though - i'm more than happy to see a lane sustain focused GP rather than a thunderlord spamming one.

KloqdqNov 8, 20171 votes

It's going to make Bankplank good but I think the trade off of rare power in Grasp or burst from Electro and even just kiting from Phase Rush is a pretty fair trade off. It is going to be really solid but not so powerful that I must take it.

Final Spark LuxNov 8, 20172 votes

The consumables do give combat benefits depending on what drops. "Extremely risky" is an overstatement. Trading in lane is the norm. It just encourages you to cast a spell before trading in the case of non mages, and an auto attack after a spell in the case of mages. Theres no CD to it, gives bonus gold, and gives consumables that range from giving you more chunks of gold to red elixirs to even mana pots. To top it off, whatever algorithm they're using is actually making it proc fairly often. I agree its fun, but right now it's definitely over-tuned, and making everything else stronger to compensate for the strength of this isn't a viable option

xPhantomDancerXNov 8, 20171 votes

...I don't even see it on pbe.

Tenth LeperNov 8, 20171 votes

When they nerf it, I hope they just remove the gold gain and make sure you get tones and tons of consumables.

Karn BishopNov 8, 20171 votes

Wait until you try it on kindred, she can trigger it better then almost anyone else.

Ashen RiderNov 8, 20172 votes

GP is probably better.

Frontline FuryNov 8, 20171 votes

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Wait until you try it on kindred, she can trigger it better then almost anyone else.

Ezreal adc is MONSTROUSLY strong with it. Provided you land your Q on your opponents you will be stacking wards, health potions, mana potions as well as roughly 1000-2000 bonus gold by the 10 minute mark, depending on lucky RNG.

Avios1Nov 8, 20174 votes

psst psst hey bud.... I got the good stuff for here fresh from the PBE.... You see.... Go support ezreal, start Kleptomancy and item 3303 and you'll outgold the ADC if you hit your Q's.... It's the good stuff... tsk tsk

chipndip1Nov 8, 20171 votes

Not really.

If I'm not out-golding adcs on Sona, you sure as hell aren't on anyone that isn't Sona.

Avios1Nov 9, 20171 votes

Not gonna lie, this comment completely baffles me. I dunno what to even say to that, considering i didn't say anything about Sona.

chipndip1Nov 9, 20171 votes

...I'm saying since Sona uses Kleptomancy super easily, I doubt anyone's out-cashing their own carry, otherwise I'd know.

0racle0912Nov 8, 20171 votes

To be fair, I'm sure they'll nerf everything. They all seem OP to me in their own ways on certain champs

Stevev45Nov 8, 20171 votes

What champ is arcane comet OP on?

0racle0912Nov 8, 20171 votes

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What champ is arcane comet OP on?

Not sure... but I'm fairly certain some champ can use it really well.

Stevev45Nov 8, 20171 votes

pretty sure it's OK on champs that use it well (low cool down , spam-able, reliable cc) and garbage on everyone else.

0racle0912Nov 8, 20171 votes

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pretty sure it's OK on champs that use it well (low cool down , spam-able, reliable cc) and garbage on everyone else.

Well that's why there's 15 keystones... Different options for different champs and different playstyles. If it's just ok, then it might get buffed. They have only been out for a day lol

Stevev45Nov 8, 20171 votes

15 for 130 champions so many options....

0racle0912Nov 8, 20173 votes

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15 for 130 champions so many options....

As oppose to 9? Not sure if you're thinking things through. Idk why you're complaining about this

Stevev45Nov 8, 20171 votes

Arcane comet sucks, it's one of the only options for mages. The game was better before keystones but at least TL and DF worked on nearly every caster. Now you can't adjust stats based on team comp or your opponents. And other roles received reliable keystones and casters were given unreliable keystones, unless their kit lets them reliably proc electrocute.

TLDR: new system picks winners and losers too much, and too many AP casters are losers.

0racle0912Nov 8, 20171 votes

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Arcane comet sucks, it's one of the only options for mages. The game was better before keystones but at least TL and DF worked on nearly every caster. Now you can't adjust stats based on team comp or your opponents. And other roles received reliable keystones and casters were given unreliable keystones, unless their kit lets them reliably proc electrocute.

TLDR: new system picks winners and losers too much, and too many AP casters are losers.

Then I'm sure it will be balanced. It's only the first day. Chill. There's a reason why season 8 doesn't start until mid January, they expect a huge time needed for balancing the runes.

AnomanderNov 8, 20171 votes

lux morgana can both use it.

Stevev45Nov 8, 20172 votes

It's a huge nerf for Lux and Morgana compared to TL.

GrReaper96Nov 8, 20171 votes

Lux can still use Electrocute

LUXANNA HOSHIDONov 8, 20171 votes

electrocute works but it has a long cd early on which feels a bit weird.. I gotta get used to it instead of TLD tho

Stevev45Nov 8, 20171 votes

Her passive doesn't count as a hit anymore, so it's much worse.

chipndip1Nov 8, 20171 votes

I'd use Aery on Lux and Karma.

NTrumpWeTrustNov 8, 20171 votes

Try it on xerath, it's pretty good

AnomanderNov 9, 20171 votes

Azir. No seriously try it. Every attack from a soldier reduces the cd and if you hit more then one champ it is multiplied.

Frontline FuryNov 8, 20172 votes

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To be fair, I'm sure they'll nerf everything. They all seem OP to me in their own ways on certain champs

That's exactly it. They shouldnt nerf everything - they should buff everything to the level of the strongest one.

MrryZNov 8, 20176 votes

Thats how powercreep happens.

RedWeddingNov 8, 20172 votes

I think that's okay, though, in this situation.

Powercreep on champions: Bad, as it requires people to purchase new champs to remain competitive. Obsoletes old favorites, disenfranchises veterans, the whole nine yards. Players should have an even playing field, and champion powercreep prevents that in the worst possible way.

Powercreep on runes/masteries: Fine, as all champions have access to strong options. Puts flashier power on pre-game decisions, so players know what they chose influenced their game. Only works if all options are of comparable strength, as otherwise we end up with the same problems as our first example of powercreep.

Ideally, each champ should end up with a few strategies that work well for them and make them feel unique... and I'd prefer if these were noticeably powerful.

Frontline FuryNov 8, 20171 votes