"Shut up he's carrying you lol"

atorelle··18 votes·11,325 views

Not sure if this should belong in Player Behaviour but whatever.

So I still remember, a set of games back I had encountered a Vel'Koz support that was tilting to say the least. First of all I would like to clarify I am a support main, and I understand a lot of the mistakes that supports do are not intentional, and I don't blame them for the little stuff. Nevertheless saying, I was doing pretty shitty in that game. Not 0/4 shitty, but still pretty bad (behind in farm, enemy ahead with some kills). I understand the concept that if you're doing bad, at least let someone else on your team thrive if they can, and be a carry. But this was not applicable to my case. At the beginning of laning phase, I am an adc that struggles with CS-ing sometimes since I am used to maining support, and not needing to last-hit unless with Relic Supports (please let me take the cannon). My support had the exact same amount of CS as me when I asked several times politely to not hit the wave, not auto the wave he wouldn't mess up the positioning of my wave, wouldn't mess up my CS-ing patterns.

He said 'k' and continued to do it. OVER and OVER again. I got denied any possible sort of lead/possible opportunity to catch up on items compared to the other ADC. Let me remind you my support took a Doran's Ring. My god. I asked so many times, and said "Don't auto the wave please" "Don't take my minions please" And adding onto that, he took every single kill in laning phase. At this point I was completely irritated and I got mad, telling him why in the process.

He started screaming about HOW HE WANTED TO GO VEL'KOZ TOP and MID and didn't want to be support anyways. But how in any way does that condone his behaviour? I understand if I was being an asshole about it at the beginning but I had given it so much patience. And when I said "report Vel'koz" in all chat the enemy team was like "Shut up you're being carried" / "He's carrying you lol". I asked him to get a support item to ward at least but he refused.

I definitely agree I could've played better that game mechanically and macro-wise, and I have mistakes to work on myself. But how am I supposed to carry/perform equally when my support pulls this sort of ape shit? Hell, if you wanted to play Vel ADC you could've told me and I'll cooperate with a Caitlyn/Xayah support with Coin and it'd be better than playing that shitty excuse of a game. [sg-lux-2]

40 Comments

vyoda14 votes

I feel for you... Have had toxic "supports" like this Vel in my games before too

My advice is to pretend like they're a bot:

  • You have higher AD and AS than a Vel, so use that to your advantage - time your last hits more carefully.
  • Forget normal trading patterns - it's a 1v3 lane at this point
  • Save summoner 7 for yourself and only use summoner 4 if it 100% guarantees you a kill/escape
  • Ward wisely - you'll probably be the only one keeping up w/ vision in the bot lane
  • Ignore bad engages - staying alive is more important than "helping out"
auutism2 votes

i mean how to you even "outfarm" brand or velkoz supp when they onehit the creeps, but the other 4 points are true af and i do it everygame IF i dont dodge a mage supp game and it turns out he is an ideot

Sirsir11 votes

Learn to play around it.

if he took D Ring on support he's an incredible idiot. You can't count on those kinds of people to improve their behavior, you need to figure out how to play around it.

Side note asking for reports is seen as toxic, and supposedly one report is as good as 9.

Report him, wipe him from your memory as he's not worth the brain space, and move on.

macspam1 votes

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Learn to play around it.

Side note asking for reports is seen as toxic, and supposedly one report is as good as 9.

Asking for reports has got me chat restricted twice and I promise you in both places they were behaving far more toxic, either it was. Support who just decided to support the toplaner from the beginning of the Game, or someone calling me garbage and poor, etc

Sirsir1 votes

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Asking for reports has got me chat restricted twice and I promise you in both places they were behaving far more toxic, either it was. Support who just decided to support the toplaner from the beginning of the Game, or someone calling me garbage and poor, etc

Like schools they see retaliation as just as bad. Being toxic back is still being toxic.

macspam1 votes

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Like schools they see retaliation as just as bad. Being toxic back is still being toxic.

Yes i suppose I've learned my lesson there ...

Buckeye20021 votes

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Learn to play around it.

if he took D Ring on support he's an incredible idiot. You can't count on those kinds of people to improve their behavior, you need to figure out how to play around it.

Side note asking for reports is seen as toxic, and supposedly one report is as good as 9.

Report him, wipe him from your memory as he's not worth the brain space, and move on.

See, this is bs, he's the one causing the issue, the vel koz should take the penalty. It's not the op's fault this dbag was made support and his life sucks. Why are we always blaming the people who react, rather than the people who start the shit in the first place.

Sirsir1 votes

Everyone is blaming the vel'koz. Not once did I try to justify his actions. I hope he gets punished accordingly.

But letting it into your head is giving them too much credit. I never acknowledged him because thats how little he matters. Shitters are going to be in this game, and every game, from now to all time. Letting them get to you isn't helping, its feeding the troll.

So you can either let the trolls win, give them the satisfaction of an emotional reaction, or ignore his idiotic ass and work around it.

I'm also not blaming OP, nor saying OP did a bad thing. I'm trying to help him cope with it in the future

Worst Kench NA10 votes

People in this game worship skill (K/D in actuality) more than anything else. I could say whatever outrageously false claims I want, if I'm "carrying" then I'm automatically right.

Also consider just muting everyone in game. I've learned at this point that no one in League is really worth talking to.

Craft Zeppelin8 votes

Just abolish atutofill. It did nothing good for this game and reduces game quality to an unacceptable degree.

Bottom Laner7 votes

"Vel'Koz" probably has more letters than he had iq points don't sweat it just report, take a breather and move on

atorelle1 votes

Agreed, happened to remember this case, and I've seen cases in which people just look at KD and say "lol you're being carried", so just wanted to point that situation out and how frustrating it can be.

BigFBear5 votes

Never ask enemy team anything. They will just give troll answers and mok you, trying to tilt you or being just mean.

I had so much games where our team has an obvious troll who ints 0:10, flashes in base or just ran it down mid and when we ask to report him they just said "no" and "lol stfu and ff"

90% of Lol players are just 16-18 years old asshole kids in puberty.

auutism5 votes

thats the reason why i dodge every game with mage supps below Diamond :D whenever you smurf and get mage supporter you fall really much behind because they take a lot of cs/xp while you are at base/or even when you are on lane. and they feed and or be useless the entire game while not even warding properly... but respect to you that you kept cool and didnt run it down or afk

atorelle2 votes

I personally play mage supports and I am below diamond, but I make sure to not take any CS from my ADC or mess up his/her wave with my abilities. E.g. Lux e onto minions for harrass. I make sure to not take CS and kills whenever I can unless I'm sure my ADC is ok with it/he's inting and trolling/I am sure I can 100% carry better/provide more for my team than the ADC would sitting on the same amount of gold. Most of the time this will not be the case though. I try to ward a lot and get my Spellthief's done and usually average at a score of 34 25-30 minutes in a game. Somehow still kinda hardstuck lul.

Uraraka4 votes

Idk which game you're commenting about, but if a mage supp starts item 1056 it is one of the indications that they're either bad or don't have any knowledge of supp. If you'd said them to go item 3303 first and they started with doran's, it is intentional. Though taking cs isn't against rule, not taking support item is kind of giving advantage to opponents in vision game; as a supp I punish opponents hard for not having enough vision by warding their jg and setting up ambushes. Now, as an adc you did great by keeping cool because I have seen adc players troll/int/afk even if I had taken like 5 cs in 10 mins and not even disturbing their farming; however, as soon as you see your supp start with non supp item just freeze the wave near turret-only last hit opponent minions and let them push.

I don't know the matchup, but freezing in bot lane is always effective and unless the Velkoz times spells correctly they cant take minions. Idk what champ you played too, but as an aa champ you can farm more than ability users; am not justifying their actions, but they've cooldowns and constraint on mana-but you don't. Lastly it is not advisable to write report player X, because that itself is reportable(strange right xD).

I remember I had troll/feeding/afk adc players because I picked mage supports, even in my promo games to Gold 4. It is all about grinding games and don't get frustrated because you will be seeing such supports and also mute chat, to save your mental state.

Gl hf [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

atorelle2 votes

Taking CS isn't against rule, but I think at the point when you're intentionally doing it to ruin others games, and you're taking so much CS that your ADC is starved of gold and you have the same amount of CS halfway into laning phase and after laning phase. I'm not annoyed because he took 5 cs in 10 minutes, it was something like 30. As a support player I understand auto attacking might not be intentional and taking a few farm is ok, but I would never take that much farm even after my ADC told me countless times to stop. it's not only about farm, the reason I lost so much was because 1. He fricked the wave by his auto attacking and pushed it into a position that forced to risk my life to farm when i was behind 2. Messing up my cs-ing patterns so I couldn't cs because of minion aggro and timed auto attacks 3. Just last hitting minions that I was using to freeze/wanting to auto

Ionian Vulpix2 votes

Devil's advocate: He was playing to win. You weren't assisting him with that. He took it upon himself to win by doing what he needed, in this case taking 'your' farm.

I used to play ADC, and it does suck when you get behind like that. But if what he did worked, then take the W.

I remember the first time I'd ever seen Volibear. I was a Twitch and had a Voli support who just killed all the minions and permashoved so he could take the tower (Back in S5.) Once that was done, I was left gold starved as a Twitch while he roamed. But his strategy didn't work so we lost the game THEN we reported him.

atorelle11 votes

Few things to clarify: We didn't take a W. If he had given me a chance, things would've turned out better. All supports shouldn't automatically start assuming an adc's skill level at the beginning of the game, and if they come to a conclusion and that is the ADC is bad, does that make it OK for him to take farm unless the ADC was hard inting which I wasn't in that case? From the very beginning he had limited my resources, took my resources and made it virtually impossible for us to make a turnaround. If he started taking farm midgame and I showed a poor performance there would be completely no debate. If he was really deserving of all that CS and kills then obviously I would and should shut up. But he wasn't. I mean he literally yelled at me and said he was going to go Vel'Koz top and mid originally. If my role at the very beginning of the game was to assist him then I would've switched to support. If he was playing to win as ADC why not queue up as ADC? Take it upon himself to win by doing what he thought he needed to do? Like taking your ADC's farm since the first wave of minions? The VERY first wave? The reason I got so incredibly behind was beacuse I never even got a proper chance to play properly and show what I was capable of. If I did get carried that's a different story, but he's a support player who literally got a Doran's Ring as a first item, and I think that says enough.

Garen is adopted2 votes

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Devil's advocate: He was playing to win. You weren't assisting him with that. He took it upon himself to win by doing what he needed, in this case taking 'your' farm.

I used to play ADC, and it does suck when you get behind like that. But if what he did worked, then take the W.

I remember the first time I'd ever seen Volibear. I was a Twitch and had a Voli support who just killed all the minions and permashoved so he could take the tower (Back in S5.) Once that was done, I was left gold starved as a Twitch while he roamed. But his strategy didn't work so we lost the game THEN we reported him.

How's he playing for win if he fucked all lane economy before minions even spawns?

864002 votes

He carried you and it hurt so bad you had to come write it up with a little anime emote to top of off. Hats off to that Vel'Koz.

atorelle11 votes

Hats off to you encouraging this type of behaviour in games. You are one of the many reasons why people continue to troll games and be toxic.

Sillae2 votes

As far as I can tell, he didn't do anything reportable.

This isn't saying he did nothing wrong, he took Doran's Ring as a support and was taking CS, but there's no set rule that supports have to play normally. He was clearly still playing to win, even if he was being sub optimal.

Also "he started screaming?" Were you in voice chat or something? This is League, at most he started typing in caps.

If anything, asking others for reports is in fact toxic behavior that is not abided by in the Summoner's Code.

atorelle6 votes

I think his behaviour can be taken in account as trolling, after seeing his actions and his replies. It doesn't matter to me if a support is 'bad' or 'doesn't know much about the game' or being 'wrong', the fact that after I asked nicely multiple of times to stop taking CS, someone who supposedly wasn't good or didn't know would stop. I asked several times, and it became painfully obvious he was deilberately doing it. There is no set rule for playing however you want as a support, but when you intentionally ruin someone's game just because of how you want to play your game it's not okay. I don't see how in any situation taking your ADC's farm since the very first minion wave is a play-to-win tactic. Especially after they emphasized you to not do it. If that's what he thinks will make us win, which we didn't, it's blatantly incorrect. I understand taking your ADC's Farm mid-game or seeing that they're a troll or inting hard, but that was not the case at all.

atorelle7 votes

I mean, GRF Lehends climbed to Challenger (which also attended Worlds 2019 and rated as one of the best supports in the world) with Elise Support. He played his game how he wanted to, and carried himself to challenger with it. Playing your game how you want to and succeeding is great, and having downs or losses is completely normal, but ruining someone else's game deliberately is not ok, especially in bot lane when synergy and communnication between ADC and support is crucial.

ZackTheWaffleMan5 votes

role stealing isn't allowed

atorelle2 votes

[zombie-brand-clap]

Jennifer172 votes

you asked in all chat for reports. you can get punished for that.

just saying.

atorelle4 votes

Think you're missing the point of the post, but nevertheless I do think that these types of people should be banned. I'll keep that in mind though.

Jennifer171 votes

im aware that this isnt the point. but noone pointed this out yet

atorelle4 votes

Actually multiple people have. Thanks for the reminder though.

Nami Want Salami2 votes

That's a shitty situation but there's one rule for the league of legends community you forgot

  1. Never talk in chat to any of these players

Seriously it'll save you a lot of frustration

macspam2 votes

So funny story, I recently had a brand support that just said fuck it at about 5 minutes, for no apparent reason (I hadn't even died or anything) and he started just taking all the CS he could and otherwise being toxic in chat when I called him out on it. So anyway, it turns out he and the toplaner were duo, and I said in all chat to report them ... Long of the short of it is, I got chat restricted for that ... So yeah even if someone is being a dick, you can't mouth off to then too much.

Hi im 121 votes

I mean at the point your support can out cs you by auto attacking you have no business complaining lmao

atorelle1 votes

Not really out-csing by auto attacking, it was a combination of more so he aa-ed whenever he could, messing up my cs-ing patterns and making me lose CS and making the wave push into a position that was disadvantageous for me to farm, (either I had to sacrifice farm or take damage/die in the process of trying to get farm, and obviously when he had taken cs from me when I was trying to control the wave I was behind) My support isn't supposed to out-cs me, that is the complete opposite of what you are supposed to do. He's out-csing me by auto attacking? Okay, then why the hell is he playing support? Might as well go any other solo lane if he wants to farm, but taking that much farm as a support is just incorrect.

Hi im 121 votes

getting out farmed by a velkoz as an adc is also just inocrrect, I mean hey I'm not saying that what he did isn't a dick move but it could have very well been the play which granted him the highest chance at winning the game so

atorelle2 votes

I would spend longer typing a reply on why that is incorrect but I've done that several times above this message, so if you insist you are correct feel free to look at my other replies to people

Hi im 121 votes

eh I'm not gonna read 50 essays when its too hard for you to spend 2 seconds on copy pasting shit

atorelle2 votes

Yeah it gets irritating when the same 20 people ask the same stuff and you have to reply everytime, even though it's copy pasting. It's just mentally irritating because people can't be bothered to look themselves and always need someone else to work for them and make it easier for them just because they won't do it themselves.

ViperVenom1 votes

Support mains getting filled to other roles is a nightmare. Practically guaranteed to int.

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