I think nidalee needs a buff

Linna Excel··5 votes·1,849 views

Don't get me wrong, I know a lot of people hate her (but less than teemo), but a 43% win rate she's a bit weak ATM.

I think part of that was the runeglaive change in 5.14, that seems to be the patch that hurt her a little too much. Why? Probably because the needed nerfs to runeglaive's pvp potential was something she was dependent on because magus is no longer a thing. She's not going tank or AD. I also don't see her going devourer.

No I'm looking at her mid win rates and they aren't that good as well. In fact, it looks like the jungle nidalee is keeping the mid verison afloat. In the jungle she's doable at 47% but in lane she drops like a rock to 40%. That's just not an acceptable win rate for someone who is supposed to be an AP mid. Yes, yes I know win rate isn't everything. However at 40%, you know something is going pretty wrong.

So what are my thoughts from using champion.gg stats.

  1. Midlane nidalee starts morellos and maxes Q first. This suggests that her spears are still a core part of her build playstyle. For most people, hitting the spear consistently and having it do decent damage is hard to master. The fact that her 2nd real item is a luden's cements this fact. Suggestion: buff her spear a little. Maybe lower the mana cost a little because you know 90% of spears thrown will either be whiffs, hit minions, or are closer range shots.

  2. The higher winrate jungle nidalee starts runeglaive and then goes RoA. This suggests a little bit of tank is helping her win, but still not at an acceptable rate. However she can't build much in the way of tank because she's an assassin. Suggestion: see if RoA or Rylais is good on mid nidalee with your diamond testers. If it does, then you need to consider her role in the game and if you want her to build tank or not.

  3. Jungle Nidalee is getting crushed in later running games while AP mid nidalee gets better as the game goes on. Mid nidalee goes from 34%?! What the crap riot!? winrate in games under 25 minutes to a still laughable 43% winrate in games over 40 minutes. Compared to the average mid, nidalee is inferior to that average mid in every category that champion.gg follows. Her jungle is only slightly better than average at getting kills.

  4. Mid lane nidalee is in absolute last place when it comes to average minions killed per game. She also takes 3000 more damage than she dishes out. This is interesting. I think she's still doing okay in the jungle only because she can get more gold there than in laning. Suggestion: she needs to be able to CS better and I wonder if she's easy to trade against by other mids. She's got no wave clear in her human form and her panther form screams trade against me if she's using it to clear minions. If you don't want her to CS to get fed, she needs to be able to get kills, and her stats don't suggest she can reliably enough to make up for lost income.

  5. Her jungle currently isn't particularly good at anything save for a slightly high number of kills and her lack of assists suggests she is a terrible ganker. This suggests ATM she has no clear reason to be picked in the jungle as she can't gank well, she isn't a tank, and she falls off late. Likewise her mid game lacks anything worth wanting to pick her simply because she fails so hard as a champ at perhaps the most important thing for a mid laner: CSing. No CS no food.

Final thoughts. While I kind of like nidalee in theory, she's not working at all. Right now there are better assassin junglers and assassin mids so there's no reason to pick her. She doesn't tank well, gank well, or powerjungle for that lane. Her mid sucks. After this last round of nerfs I have to ask, what does she do well enough to make me want to pick her? What's her role ATM?

Nidalee needs help.

19 Comments

DJ Di05 votes

You guys are letting your general dislike of Nidalee warp your opinions on her actual balance.

Mid Nidalee has been repeatedly fucked because of Jungle Nidalee. She now sits at the lowest winrate in the game (39%).

The cast time nerf was where they should have stopped, but instead they also nerfed the damage.

Gare Jordans3 votes

Fuck. No. You must not have been here when her spears had the hitbox of trees whilst doing over a thousand damage late game. Buffing Nidalee's spears encourages toxic, uninteractive playstyles because if they were any stronger, they can delete adcs and mid laners alike before fights.

Linna Excel1 votes

She needs a buff of some kind. You can't let any champs linger that low and still ask players to pawn up money for skins.

TheShinx2 votes

She is in a relatively Balanced place. He spears late game still do stupid amounts of damage, He Kit can 1v1 a ton of champions, on top of that she has a heal and an escape. 43% win rate to be honest isn't that low. Caitlyn has a 0% Pick rate in Challenger/Master. Means nothing really. Nid still see's play in competitive play. She is strong, it's she is played by lower level players who either aren't mechanically good with her, or haven't played her before.

She has Above 50% win rate in Master/Challenger. I will say this. She needs a nerf not a buff. Not on Damage or anything, but her spear length. Slightly shorter range. Shouldn't be able to hit a screen away with an ability that gains dmg over distance.

Linna Excel1 votes

43% overall. As I said under some conditions it's as low as 34%.

TheShinx1 votes

I went to Diamond/Master?Challenger for the last month. Her rates are as follows:

Diamond: 54.50% win rate Master: 57.29% Win rate Challenger: 57.33% Win rate.

Saying she needs a buff because 3/5 Ranking groups are below 50% (of which none are High ELO) in the last month isn't Justified. The point at which her win rate dips is Gold. Of which is about 60% of the NA player base from gold down. Never look below plat ELO for Win rates. When you do the scales begin to not balance out. There are a lot more players in Bronze-Gold then those in Plat-Challenger.

CppL1 votes

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She needs a buff of some kind. You can't let any champs linger that low and still ask players to pawn up money for skins.

You buy skins for champ cause you like to play him.You like his kit etc.. not because of his win ratio.Thats stupid.You should be shamed.

Malaborath2 votes

You do realize that with 9 Hybrid Penetration Marks, 3 Quints of AP and 9 armor 9 MR runes she can virtually 3 shot someone at level 2. Why the HELL would the buff her?

Yosuke Apperu1 votes

The problem with win rates is that 75% of the players in league are bronze. Win rates are very unreliable.

Linna Excel1 votes

Champion.gg analyzes millions of League of Legends Platinum+ games each patch to provide relevant champion builds, runes, masteries, stats, matchups and counters.

From their website. This is her plat+ stats.

Yosuke Apperu1 votes

Right.. but how much of the community is plat?

Linna Excel1 votes

If the plat players can't make mid nidalee work and she's supposed to be able to go into that lane, she has an issue.

Yosuke Apperu1 votes

That all depends on if they can or cannot land a spear XD She has so much in her kit. Hell she even has a decent heal.

SaltyKracka1 votes

I'm just laughing all the way to the bank.

Fuck nid.

Only Play Darius1 votes

Runeglaive is better than Magus. Spellblade > flat AP because it encourages Nidalee to jump in and proc the runeglaive instead of sit back and spam spears.

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

People hate Nidalee - 1shots you and spams spears or is useless and only feeds whole game.

l Mamba l 241 votes

This is why gameplay and blance thread is known to be a joke lol

TinCanBegger1 votes

Riot made Nidalee terrible! The cause? The increased cast time on her q. I don't care about the nerfs to her damage, but the cast delay makes it next to impossible to land a spear. It also makes her feel really clunky. She's designed for you to be constantly rolling through her abilities, but when you W in cougar form and then R then Q the delay feels so awkward. You'll notice even the top players have given her the boot.

a ƒish1 votes

I agree Nidalee NOW IS SO WEAK COMPARED TO HER EARLIER DAYS. I MEAN LOOK AT HER Q ITS SO WEAK EVEN AT FULL DISTANCE I THINK RIOT SHOULD BRING BACK SEASON 3 NIDALEE AS ANOTHER OPTION TO THE CHAMPION SELECT LIKE TWO CHOICES OF NIDALEE TO BE PLAYED!!!!!! Nidalee

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