What about being able to build Guardian's items out of Doran's items on Summoner's Rift?

Warlord Rhinark··11 votes·5,884 views

Hey fellas, dipshit here back at it again with more secret encrypted messages about how much I hate myself.

Today I want to talk about Doran's and Guardian's items.

For those of you who don't know, I'm talking about these:

Doran's items: item 1055 item 1054 item 1056

Guardian's items: item 3184 item 2051 item 3112

Now, I don't think it's necessary for me to go over every single stat but basically you should know that Guardian's items are just stronger Doran's items for double the cost plus an extra 50 gold.

Basically, the point I'm trying to get across is being able to build the Guardian's items out of Doran's items.

So, a Doran's Blade plus 500 gold turns into a Guardian's Hammer, Doran's Shield plus 500 gold turns into Guardian's Horn, and Doran's Ring plus 500 gold turns into Guardian's Orb.

The premise is that you're investing gold into a stronger early game item that can't be build into anything else, thus delaying your other item builds.

So, if you're an early game duelist you might want to invest in a Guardian's Hammer.

If you're up against a heavy poke champion, you might want to invest in a Guardian's Horn.

And if you need some more mana sustain, along with a little bit of early HP and Ability Power, you might want to invest in a Guardian's Orb.

You will, of course, lose the bonus damage to minions on the Horn and the Orb and you won't be able to buy more than one Guardian's item so you can't abuse the early stats.

Tell me what y'all think.

10 Comments

Beatrice falls8 votes

All of them would be overpowered, they are meant to be used in a 5v5 situations, not 1v1 / 2v2

item 2051 just imagine a DrMundo buying this and staying in lane for 15 minutes lol

Warlord Rhinark4 votes

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All of them would be overpowered, they are meant to be used in a 5v5 situations, not 1v1 / 2v2

item 2051 just imagine a DrMundo buying this and staying in lane for 15 minutes lol

All the more encouragement for people to rush Grievous Wounds against him.

Vlada Cut1 votes

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All the more encouragement for people to rush Grievous Wounds against him.

Which isn't effective against him anymore?

Warlord Rhinark2 votes

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Which isn't effective against him anymore?

Grievous Wounds is still the most effective thing against him there is, it just isn't as effective as it used to be.

Vlada Cut1 votes

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Grievous Wounds is still the most effective thing against him there is, it just isn't as effective as it used to be.

Bur that's what I meant to say. [sg-ahri-1]

Häxel3 votes

i just think these itms are overpowered.You know for a better early people tendet to stack dorans blades or rings. Riot added mechanics to prevent people from doing that too often but with the recent rework they removed again the punishment and i don't know why.

the thing is, having like 2-3 doran rings/-blades/dark seals or whatever may be strong in certain situations, but you also fill your inventory and remove space for more items, buildpathitems or controlwards/potions. Also each starting item you ahve to sell for a less worthy price.

A Guardains Item would bring no downside: Strong early, check. Single space used, check. Just having it to sell once with little wasted money, check. it would just make the strognest abusers to strong.

Warlord Rhinark2 votes

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i just think these itms are overpowered.You know for a better early people tendet to stack dorans blades or rings. Riot added mechanics to prevent people from doing that too often but with the recent rework they removed again the punishment and i don't know why.

People got mad that double Doran's Ring was no longer a thing, I'd assume.

A Guardains Item would bring no downside: Strong early, check. Single space used, check. Just having it to sell once with little wasted money, check.

Whilst the first two are correct, I'm not sure what you mean by "just having it to sell once with little wasted money".

A Guardian's Item costs 950 gold and sells for 380 gold.

You won't even get the gold back for the Doran's item you bought.

it would just make the strognest abusers to strong.

I'm not sure what you mean by "strongest abusers".

Everyone can buy them. If you see your enemy laner buying a Guardian's Hammer, you can buy a Guardian's Horn to counter them. You're both going to counter eachothers strong early game and reason for buying the item, and you're both delaying your late game items as a result of this.

It turns into a mindgame of "Should I buy a Guardian's item or not?"

Häxel2 votes

People got mad that double Doran's Ring was no longer a thing, I'd assume.

no, they jsut reworkded dorans and thought it would be now better balanced.

I'm not sure what you mean by "strongest abusers"

Everyone can buy an infinity edge and still its best on yasuo and adcs, darius can use the ad and vlad can use nothing. triple dark seal gets abused by singed for the healing. Tripple dorans ring got abused by nautilus and maokai, who should have been controled by high manacosts but thanks to ring they could spam their abilities for waveclear and fighting. In the meantime champs like rumble, riven, vlad felt liek they were no longer special with no manacosts or no longer have this slight advantage. Or if you go a good lifestealitem, what should aatrox top feel if everyone has such a huge sustain. Or he would jsut be the guy with the most sustain, what problems would solve this? Mundo with guardian horn, as he was not already hard enough to kill pre 6.

Guardian items are not in sr for a reason.

Warlord Rhinark4 votes

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no, they jsut reworkded dorans and thought it would be now better balanced.

Why do you say "I don't know" and then when I try to give a reason you decline it?

Why even say "I don't know" in the first place then?

In the meantime champs like rumble, riven, vlad felt liek they were no longer special with no manacosts or no longer have this slight advantage.

But Rumble and Vlad could buy a Guardian's Horn and Riven could buy a Guardian's Hammer to counter these other champions.

Or if you go a good lifestealitem, what should aatrox top feel if everyone has such a huge sustain. Or he would jsut be the guy with the most sustain, what problems would solve this? Mundo with guardian horn, as he was not already hard enough to kill pre 6.

And if you buy a Grievous Wounds item, you just made them waste their gold on an item they can't build into anything else.

Guardian items are not in sr for a reason.

Probably, It was just a silly idea I came up with to create discussion.

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