Considering Vayne has dedicated herself to hunting down users of magic as well as magical creatures, how come she doesn't utilize magic nullifying metal?
I know Silver is supposed to be good against Vampires and Werewolves in normal works of fiction but as far as I know, Silver has no special properties within the context of the League of Legends universe itself.
Oleandervine9 votesIt clearly has power over magical beings and undead beings in League too.
Plus, Petricite nullifies magic - won't do shit against a zombie or something like a werewolf or vampire that's not casting a spell at you. Same goes for Demacian Steel. It's tough stuff, but again, it's just like any other arrow or bolt when shot through a being like an undead or werebeast.
The bolts have to be enchanted in some way to be meaningful and fully dangerous to dark creatures.
Warlord Rhinark7 votesIt clearly has power over magical beings and undead beings in League too.
Plus, Petricite nullifies magic - won't do shit against a zombie or something like a werewolf or vampire that's not casting a spell at you. Same goes for Demacian Steel. It's tough stuff, but again, it's just like any other arrow or bolt when shot through a being like an undead or werebeast.
The bolts have to be enchanted in some way to be meaningful and fully dangerous to dark creatures.
Maybe Petricite/Demacian Steel nullifies the magic that's reanimating the zombie? I don't know.
Her bio doesn't mention anything about the silver being enchanted.
And how would Vayne even get anyone to enchant the Silver anyway when magic isn't allowed in Demacia?
Oleandervine6 votes[{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=1c6xFTVf,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-11-02T20:49:50.126+0000)
Maybe Petricite/Demacian Steel nullifies the magic that's reanimating the zombie? I don't know.
Her bio doesn't mention anything about the silver being enchanted.
And how would Vayne even get anyone to enchant the Silver anyway when magic isn't allowed in Demacia?
Her bio nor Demacia would not allow for magic infused silver - but that doesn't mean that Demacia doesn't have a religious authority who could bless the silver with divine power. Divinity and such typically isn't regarded in the same vein as regular magic, and until we really get to know Demacia's inner workings, it's entirely probably that a clergy could have "enchanted" her silver, if silver isn't inherently an anathema to dark beings. Additionally, in her VO, she says "silver of the moon," which could also be a clue - if she obtains her silver from somewhere on Targon or from the Lunari, that could also account for their magical properties. What also could contribute is the possibility that she's unwittingly enchanting it if she "purifies" or "cleanses" them using some holistic ritual such as "bake them for 2 hours in the heat of the sun on a rock facing northwards, then leave them through the night in direct moonlight" etc, as sometimes superstitious beliefs can have roots in old religions or "magic" practice.
Warlord Rhinark1 votesHer bio nor Demacia would not allow for magic infused silver - but that doesn't mean that Demacia doesn't have a religious authority who could bless the silver with divine power. Divinity and such typically isn't regarded in the same vein as regular magic, and until we really get to know Demacia's inner workings, it's entirely probably that a clergy could have "enchanted" her silver, if silver isn't inherently an anathema to dark beings. Additionally, in her VO, she says "silver of the moon," which could also be a clue - if she obtains her silver from somewhere on Targon or from the Lunari, that could also account for their magical properties. What also could contribute is the possibility that she's unwittingly enchanting it if she "purifies" or "cleanses" them using some holistic ritual such as "bake them for 2 hours in the heat of the sun on a rock facing northwards, then leave them through the night in direct moonlight" etc, as sometimes superstitious beliefs can have roots in old religions or "magic" practice.
Interesting ideas.
I don't believe prayers in the case of a religious authority would be able to grant divine power (nor do I believe Vayne would even want her silver blessed), and I don't believe Vayne can perform superstitious rituals that make it more powerful either.
However, her silver coming from Targon sounds very interesting to me, especially considering Demacia's relationship with the mountain.
Diana is also mentioned to be travelling Valoran currently so maybe she met Vayne at some point?
As a bonus, many of Diana's abilities are also described to be silvery in color in her bio and her passive is called Moonsilver Blade.
Oleandervine1 votes[{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=1c6xFTVf,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-02T22:04:48.257+0000)
Interesting ideas.
I don't believe prayers in the case of a religious authority would be able to grant divine power (nor do I believe Vayne would even want her silver blessed), and I don't believe Vayne can perform superstitious rituals that make it more powerful either.
However, her silver coming from Targon sounds very interesting to me, especially considering Demacia's relationship with the mountain.
Diana is also mentioned to be travelling Valoran currently so maybe she met Vayne at some point?
As a bonus, many of Diana's abilities are also described to be silvery in color in her bio and her passive is called Moonsilver Blade.
In almost every medieval horror story or tale, priests and clergy can bless weapons or water to give it powers over the undead, which means that they are bestowing some degree of divine power on the weapons/water. As for Vayne, that girl is definitely superstitious and/or devout (if religions exist in Demacia.) She exhibits an insane type of zealotry, and her consistent paranoia and preparedness lends itself to the personality type that is prone to devoted religious belief and superstitions and even a degree of OCD. It's not a terrible stretch to believe that Vayne internalizes her cause in conjunction with a religious belief, and it's also not a stretch to believe that her own paranoia and superstitions would lead her to practice behaviors and activities to ease her mind and prepare her for the fight and having that unwittingly be magical rituals. I mean, grandmothers often have old wives tales, and it's pretty safe to assume that the elderly in Runeterra have similar, more fantastical ones. While most people may think they are complete BS, there's an odd possibility there might be some truth to them. So all in all, it's not totally out of the question that Vayne unwittingly has blessed/enchanted weapons.
PVPmaster LOL1 votesWhy isn't magic allowed in Demacia? (Sry Not gonna read an essay to find the reason)
Warlord Rhinark2 votes[{quoted}](name=PVPmaster LOL,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=1c6xFTVf,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2018-11-03T15:19:31.133+0000)
Why isn't magic allowed in Demacia? (Sry Not gonna read an essay to find the reason)
Demacia was founded by survivors of the Rune Wars, which were wars fought with the use of the World Runes. The World Runes held terrible magical power and caused great devastation to the land. Since then, Demacians have been distrustful of all sources of magic.
PVPmaster LOL1 votesThanks
YDy2ZkRq026 votesPlus, Petricite nullifies magic - won't do shit against a zombie or something like a werewolf or vampire that's not casting a spell at you. Same goes for Demacian Steel. It's tough stuff, but again, it's just like any other arrow or bolt when shot through a being like an undead or werebeast.
In truth, we saw in Shadow and Fortune that a Demacian steel balde can "kill" the undead, at least the ones from the Shadow Isles:
She slashed her looted sword through the creatures and felt the same bite she’d felt before. Her bullets might be useless against the dead, but this Demacian blade hurt them. They fell back from her, screeching and hissing.
Could the dead know fear?
It seemed they could, for they fled the sword’s glittering edge. She didn’t let them go, stabbing and slashing the mist wherever it poured in.
ez mental boom3 votesWouldn't the mere existence of a zombie be by magic tho?
DuskDaUmbreon1 votesZombies can be animated by magic, but usually in most fantasy stories zombies remain animated even in a null-magic area.
The magic just makes the body work a certain way, and then keeps it under the user's control. However, the magic changed the body itself, and those changes remain regardless of whether or not there's still magic.
Oleandervine1 votes[{quoted}](name=ez mental boom,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=1c6xFTVf,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2018-11-02T22:06:27.560+0000)
Wouldn't the mere existence of a zombie be by magic tho?
It depends on what's animating. Necromancy, sure, but if it was a god like Nagakuborous, it would be divine power and not magic. I guess that does require a firm definition of what qualifies as magic.
Tin of sardines2 votesPlus, Petricite nullifies magic - won't do shit against a zombie or something like a werewolf or vampire that's not casting a spell at you. Same goes for Demacian Steel. It's tough stuff, but again, it's just like any other arrow or bolt when shot through a being like an undead or werebeast.
I don't read the lore any more, not since the heart is for some reason more complex that the brain. and the fact that yordles are kind of spirits, bu not...
Petricite is a mess, without specification it's completely useless for someone like me (I would main rumble if Gnar wasn't around). why? well, in Galio lore (also read vayne lore) it works kind like a Pulldown capacitor. in popular tongue: it remove magic from the field by absorb it. so when it hits the saturation point (can absorb any more) it use the absorbed magic to propel it self.
so without the equivalent to ESR and capacitance density I can't say that a arrow head made of the stuff would be useful. BTW, I also need to know the Energy output of the target, or it's power and energy density, to calculate it's effects.
but that is engineering, and write can barely manage simple arithmetic. in any case, it would be useful at killing anything that is alive by means of magic, give you gather enough of the stuff and you can get a "energy flow" between the petricite and the target.
nice no??? it's means you can have something like 
being complete made out of magic and roaming free in Demacia, just because the petricite can't get a energy flow.
also, do you know Alduin? assuming he doesn't use the gate to Sovngarde and ends up in a top of a really big piece of petricite, he wouldn't die, also assuming that he does in fact is alive by biological means, supported by the fact that his kind has scale and bones. but he wouldn't speak, not fly, meaning that is something like the dr.... ohhh, i forgot that most people don't progress in the main quest. in other side, would be nice to see what a petricite without the ESR limit can do to something like a Khajiit, they use the magic from jo and june to lock they "DNA???" into one of the 17 forms possible, meaning they are kind of magical, but since they are complete biological from that on... it would be like being in the ISS? maybe... but the offspring... that is unethical.
Malicious Metal2 votesYeah, in "Shadows of Damnation" the Knight's Demacian Steel armour protected him from Morde's initial blast of necromancy but it didn't have any other effect on Mordekaiser as he proceeded to kick his ass. Think Petricite's just the best magical defense, seeing that it absorbs it but I doubt it's any good for offensive uses.
Camille Ferrøs5 votesMany would say it doesn't matter etc. but tiny microscopic details like this really matter to some people and its not near to game charging thing or what ever. IF they just made her bolts white it would make the perticite reference on point or maaay just maybe if they could give her just 1 % magic penetration since her bolts
Sona Ping3 votesI know Silver is supposed to be good against Vampires and Werewolves in normal works of fiction but as far as I know, Silver has no special properties within the context of the League of Legends universe itself.
I mean, it's already been established that it does. Vayne uses it to hunt down witches and creations of the dark arts.
Support Position3 votesJust like Riot putting Iron before bronze. Its because they simply dont give a shit x'D
Jerry SeinfeId2 votesWho says those creatures are magical? A monster is just an animal in the end.
And why wouldn't silver work on certain creatures? As others have stated it's probably related to the moon.
Warlord Rhinark1 votes[{quoted}](name=Jerry SeinfeId,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=1c6xFTVf,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-11-03T13:55:20.109+0000)
Who says those creatures are magical? A monster is just an animal in the end.
A monster is usually magical in nature.
And why wouldn't silver work on certain creatures? As others have stated it's probably related to the moon.
I'm not saying Silver is useless, I'm just saying it isn't stated anywhere that it has special properties.
Jerry SeinfeId1 votesThat's assumed almost every time but tell me how a monster differs from any other animal? How is a goblin or Griffin or something like that magical? Obviously some are clear, a phoenix for example. But I really don't see why every monster is magical.
Warlord Rhinark1 votes[{quoted}](name=Jerry SeinfeId,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=1c6xFTVf,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2018-11-03T21:51:21.613+0000)
That's assumed almost every time but tell me how a monster differs from any other animal? How is a goblin or Griffin or something like that magical? Obviously some are clear, a phoenix for example. But I really don't see why every monster is magical.
That's assuming something like a Goblin or Griffin even exists within the League of Legends universe.
But yes, I see your point. Not every monster has to be magical.
SexualNuts2 votesHow do we know that Silver isn't a very rare precious metal which also has magic nulifying properties in Runeterra? Are there any other references at all to Silver within the game? If not, then Silver could perhaps be even more precious and powerful in context than Petricite and Demacian Steel.
Warlord Rhinark1 votesHow do we know that Silver isn't a very rare precious metal which also has magic nulifying properties in Runeterra? Are there any other references at all to Silver within the game? If not, then Silver could perhaps be even more precious and powerful in context than Petricite and Demacian Steel.
Sure, we don't know, but the idea of having a metal that nullifies magic gets kinda stale when more than one metal does so.
SexualNuts1 votesNot really if one is superior to another, particularly if it were to be ultra rare. We know petricide isn't that level of rare because there's so many instances of it (and isn't Galio made of it, when he's absolutely huge?).
All I'm saying is there have been assumptions made and conclusions from those assumptions
HungryAngry2SPP1 votesIn the Witcher universe, for example, many beasts are susceptible to silver.
Thefrostyviking1 votesIsnt petricite just a type of weird rock?
Even if you made it into a arrowhead it would still be bad against anything with armor or a tough (dragon? class)natural hide.
What i would like to have explained is why Demacian steel works on the undead, their "good" divine magic and if the silver Vayne uses has some connection to the religious business or whatever else that makes the steel work.'
Warlord Rhinark1 votesIsnt petricite just a type of weird rock?
Even if you made it into a arrowhead it would still be bad against anything with armor or a tough (dragon? class)natural hide.
Garen's Armor is made out of Petricite if I recall correctly, so it must be more than "just a weird rock".
What i would like to have explained is why Demacian steel works on the undead,
Because Undead are animated with magic and Demacian Steel nullifies magic?
their "good" divine magic
Oh this is mostly definitely an answer I want as well.
and if the silver Vayne uses has some connection to the religious business or whatever else that makes the steel work.'
Oleandervine speculated that the Silver Vayne uses might be from Targon (The Lunari in particular), considering she calls it "silver of the moon" and Diana having "silver" mentioned a lot in her lore and abilities.
Thefrostyviking1 votesHis armor isnt made of petricite but its magic resistant nonetheless, possible that it was either painted or engraved with the material instead....or Demacia has more magic resistant stuff than just that weird rock.
And why does Demacian steel nullify magic? What is different about their steel and everyone else's? Because it´s mixed with petricite? Becuase its "blessed"? Or by nature?
As for the vayne&targon theory i dont think it´s plausible, in her current lore she was trained by a Freljordian monster hunter.....whom she killed with a arrow through the heart when it came out that her teacher was in fact some manner of werewolf.
I think that means she already had the silver bolts by then but the source is still unknown, perhaps connected to the order lucian belongs to or Demacia´s religion in some way.
As for Diana,,,,, silver moonlight is a thing and most ornaments and stuff made with moon theme´d stuff is made with silver as its both valuable and looks nice.
A moon necklace made out of gold looks a bit strange.
FlameHalbrdOkido1 votesinteresting conversation.
Vayne honestly sufferes from just being an old champion. She was created and her abilities thought up b4 Demacian Lore was rewritten. That's why she uses Silver, because its just a staple anti-dark monster material in western mythology. Petricite didn't exist when Vayne was created.
And anyone whos confused on the origins or Petricite. Its petrified wood (thats basically has become a sort of rock) that has natural anti-magic properties, in that is just absorbs the source of magic, and thus nullifies it. To use petricite it could be ground up then mixed into whatever u need it to be mixed with, so theres nothing from say grinding it up and mixing it with molted metal for armor or a blade or arrow heads, or concrete for walls.
But yea theres a lot we don't know about Demacia yet, all we can do is read the Lore and the Map
Silver hasn't been explained in demacia, neither has Lucian's order or his guns, and the illuminators could definitely use some more explanation as well
Mael Jade1 votesEver saw any of the "The Witcher" games? Silver is against basically anything that is not human.