Concept for New Tier: "Garbage"

Mister Modesty·Feb 21, 2016·3 votes·802 views

I'm Bronze 5. So I know I'm not the best. But if I'm Bronze 5- the very lowest tier- then some people need further demotion. They do hold us back. Rank them in the "Garbage Tier"- seriously. How do you pick Kindred jungle on an AP heavy team- where another person thinks it's fine to support as Teemo with heal and teleport.. and Heimerdinger mid.. with a weak ass Jinx ADC. How does this happen!?!?!? Riot- you messed up with that champion preference nonsense. Now people just pick their champ because it hasn't been banned.. These people are lower than Bronze.. (not the Heimerdinger, he did well enough considering our Kindred jungle not ganking, and Bot getting crushed like the raisins they were)

(I went Malphite top)

16 Comments

lofi n chillhopFeb 21, 20164 votes

take it as a sign that if you're bronze 5, you don't know enough about what is good and what is not to claim that anyone is worse (or better) than you. focus on what you can do to learn and improve, and if you do manage to learn and improve you will rise in the ranks.

Mister ModestyFeb 22, 20161 votes

I'm Bronze 5 because I didn't know what was going on with the new Champion select, and Normal mode was giving me 20+ minute queues. I got thrown into unfamiliar roles, and tried my best- still sucked out. So when my provisionals were over- I got slammed to the bottom simply due to the new champ select mechanism. I'm not saying I'm the best- I'm good at times. Otherwise, I'm a decent player. I play safe when it's called for- and I play hard when I need to. I play smart. I communicate. I'm always learning what I did wrong, going back to my match histories to see any trends in my gameplay that lean towards good or bad. And I've never left Bronze. SO I accept that I'm not a great player.. but based on simple comparisons- I can see players much worse than me.. but based on the tier system- we are "equal". If you look at my match history- I've won a lot more games than I've lost. This post is more a retort to the players I had in my last match last night/ this morning. I really dislike this new "ADC" jungle fad. Or Ekko jungle. I play a lot of jungle- you need sustain. If you're going to jungle as Kindred- you better be damn good.. Otherwise I get no ganks, and have the enemy Trundle sitting in the jungle behind me because Kindred's scared to make a move.

ShonjlFeb 21, 20162 votes

What is cheaper or more lackluster than Bronze though? Like its based on valuable materials. Other than Master and Challenger obviously.

I mean there really isn't anything much cheaper to make than Bronze without just using the materials to make it by themselves. At that point all that is really left is Dirt, and even Dirt is pretty damn valuable depending on where you are.

But all seriousness. Bronze is the lowest with 5 being the absolute pit of it all. All you can do in Bronze is better yourself. You aren't going to carry yourself out in like a game or 2 but if you actually are indeed deserving of Silver or more, you will get there. People just don't like to admit they aren't godly since if you are in Bronze and can't leave, clearly you belong there. And to be fair, its kinda good those people stay in Bronze. I doubt people in above ranks want to hear "I deserve better blah blah I should be in Diamond blah blah" since Bronze no doubt does this more than other ranks. And this is coming from someone that if they actually cared about Ranked, would be in the Bronze/Silver range most likely, I would actually be damn surprised if I even got Silver, let alone Gold. I know on the competitive side of the game I am not that great, but damn at least I know it and not try to delude myself that I am better when I clearly am not if I am still rotting in Bronze.

weeaboomerFeb 21, 20162 votes

Why? You'll just fall into that garbage tier anyways. Are you then going to be crying for another shit tier after that?

Git gud.

shyvFeb 21, 20161 votes

i would love for there to be a garbage tier. then people would stop complaining about not being able to get out because "their teams" are bad.

like, you're in garbage tier, you're bad too

Live2LetDieFeb 21, 20161 votes

Bronze people will always try to think of ways to make them self feel better. Lowest rank for a reason stop blaming others.

OlivaeusFeb 21, 20161 votes

My man i got placed bronze 5 this season after finishing silver 4 last season. I used to think just like you (my team sucks, this is OP, that is OP, OMG THIS JG) Yeah most people in Bronze suckass but if you're good enough you can carry yourself out of Bronze, I just hit Bronze 1 and i'm steadily making my way out of it. Before blaming your teammates, step back and think about what YOU could have done to win whether that be your build, teamfight coordination, the champion you played. Also, just because you're 30/3/4 doesn't mean you're being helpful to your team, all of those kills could have been spread amongst your team making them stronger overall

AsphodelNextFeb 21, 20161 votes

If we make a new Garbage tier then there will just be people complaining about how hard it is to climb out of Garbage and that they should make a new tier Sludge where all the people worse than them can go.

Like, I know I'm Garbage V and playing Teemo support, but some people just shouldn't be allowed in Garbage. How do people think it's okay to play Aatrox mid and build item 3004 ? These kinds of people are holding the rest of us back.

lilpokflufFeb 21, 20161 votes

This isn't the best mindset to have, as long as you continue to play this game you're going to play with these people. Learn to carry them and get yourself out don't worry about them they're not going anywhere. And if you still can't win games take a step back and consider that you might be part of the problem and that you need to make a few changes to get yourself out of there

Very Hard EngageFeb 21, 20161 votes

if you're bronze 5. just play nasus and become "broken OP" with your farm and push top. or snowball with riven/zed/leblanc just by landing all your stuff.

DrNovaFeb 21, 20161 votes

Why would you want another their to drop down to. Seems like you are having a hard enough time climbing as it is.

DeloricVIFeb 22, 20161 votes

Look, I get being frustrated. I mean, a lot of external factors can get you demoted, most notably tilting. Maybe you were a higher rank and get tilted, then you ended up in bronze 5. Oops, it happens.

However, some people are there for a reason. If you can't draw the line and stop playing the game when you're tilted or something outside of the game is affecting you, then you should be more careful, and, frankly, you are kind of bad at playing this game. Good players have to be able to deal with a lot of things. Good players have to be able to play any role and be adaptable. Good players aren't just "my mechanics and farming skills are good, let's do this." I recommend looking at Sky Williams' video about what to do when you're tiling. It's a quick 60-seconds of advice. Tilting may not be your problem, but one thing I do know is that you're frustrated, and it can become a problem.

I get that teams in bronze 5 can ruin your games. When Top and bot feed, but you're doing great in mid, you're still going to get completely wrecked eventually, most likely before you can carry a team to victory. There are some teams that make demonstrable wrong decisions against your warnings. Trust me, I know.

Since I tilted and went down to bronze 5, I've been trying to just get out of this level of shitty bronze players. If only some people could see my chat logs... "Don't do baron," I Say, as the fed enemy team with 30 more kills than us is already up and probably headed for our base. But there they go, anyway. We get aced because I stay back and defend mostly alone, and they win the game. These things happen, and some bad players can't be persuaded not to make terrible choices. I understand where you're coming from, but what you have to do is improve yourself.

Ever since I got demoted, I've been lashing out at champions. "Oh, Talon is OP." I've been lashing out at people. "Oh, this Morgana has no right to criticize me because she lost her lane." When really, I should be trying to play my best, learn good champions, and become someone who can win games independent of their team... for the most part. I understand, sometimes this isn't possible. There are some things you can't really come back from. I know, you have to play much higher than bronze 4 to make it out of bronze 5 sometimes. I get the frustration, but we both have to buckle down and improve ourselves, lift ourselves up, not push the others around us down.

Mister ModestyFeb 22, 20161 votes

I wish I got a picture of the discussion. I saw everyones preferred champ- and I kept saying- we need less AP and more tanks. So we get 2 AP, 2 ADC, and 1 tank, and the ADC jungle avoids top like the plague- meanwhile, levelling from piggybacking lanes. Then when Trundle comes out fed like fuck, Kindred stays in the Jungle the entire time. I had my lane held down until heavy lane phase. I was Malphite, laned against Xin. I just got in his face and out tanked him. Got the second kill of the game right after first blood, stayed to farm and he teleported back, started hacking down my health, and tried taking me under turret- i got a second kill. I finished up the wave, recalled, got my wardens mail, and teleported back- I had 2 levels on Xin. You know- the jungle might have been Volibear, not Trundle.. I have to check.. But Kindred stayed bot the entire time, between mid and bot letting enemy jungle take our buffs behind me- leaving me in a vulnerable position.. The jungle just ended up playing tag team, allowing the Xin to come back while he healed up in the jungle.

I can't work with people who don't try to counter play. Kindred shouldn't have gone as a Marksman jungle. Teemo shouldn't have been a squishy support, but that may not have mattered with the right jungler. And our ADC kept saying he was falling asleep.. I'm just sitting here like- is this really happening in ranked? Oh wait- it is, because this is Bronze.

DeloricVIFeb 22, 20161 votes

There will be some games that will be like this, and that's why the winrates of even the best players in the game only hover between 55% and 70%, depending on where they're placed at the beginning of the season. Some games are just going to be like that, and I have no doubt that this game is the root of this thread.

Once, I had a game where I was stuck in support before we had this fancy dual-role dynamic queue thing. My adc was Jinx, in my bronze 3 promos, and she had to be the worst bot lane player in all of league of legends. She seemed to purposely walk towards the enemy Morgana's bindings. She didn't get toxic, but she didn't even try to stay behind minions. Her cs was atrocious, and she would farm standing still. I mean, as lulu, I can shield you, peel for you, and get you out of many sticky situations, but when you refuse to go back to base at one bar of health, and the enemy engages on you, I can't exactly do much. I'm not Soraka; I can't ult and keep you from dying in one hit.

One time, I was Sion jungle; I power clear until level six for gank potential sometimes. I cleared my SECOND CAMP, and mid died to the enemy... Lux, I believe, and she said, "Wow, no follow up? I pinged." Yeah, I did too. I used the missing ping, because I think you lost your mind. It's like... 6 minutes into the game, and you're already feeding. That's like... a record. Then, naturally, I die due to a failed gank because mid won't shut the hell up and stop tilting the rest of his allies, and I get blamed for losing the game. Not the mid that died at level 2, not top who fed the enemy mid when he roamed, me.

These things happen in bronze. Just remember to not let them get to you. If they do, don't queue up again for a while. Maybe wait a few hours. Maybe a few days. Sometimes I go away for a week at a time, come back, and play leagues ahead (no pun intended) of what I was doing before.

I noticed you were playing top; perhaps, for a short while, you could consider picking up mid or ADC? I know it's a big undertaking to learn a role that you're not particularly good at, but when I was going jungle, top, or support, I found it very difficult to change the outcome of the game... at least, when I was playing a tank jungler.

Mid is a great role to carry with; you can easily help both top and bot if necessary, especially if you start to get out of control. My win rate in ranked didn't skyrocket per se when I picked up mid, but it was definitely an improvement. Getting fed as mid can also keep other lanes from getting fed, or even farmed; it's hard to CS when you died to a roaming mid laner.

Also, ADC is a good role to climb with as well; AD Carries generally have a huge influence on the game, and can single-handedly win things as long as your team functions as an adequate enough meat shield for you. ADC's are mostly in charge of taking objectives, since they deal more damage to structures than most other roles, with the exception of a Nasus top lane, or a fed Ekko using his roll and Lich Bane.

Jungle is a good role to carry with, but only if you can get the hang of it. If you are not a great jungler already, I would recommend skipping it because it's really complicated, and is much harder than most lane roles. Generally, you're also mostly at the mercy of the lanes because if you can't gank for them, you're kind of screwed. Some junglers like master yi can win games single handedly, but they are all going to be high-risk, high-reward, and generally will have more opportunities to fuck up with, so I recommend grabbing your best ADC or Mid and try to climb as high as you can with them. Take them in normals until you get the hang of them if you have to.

You can make it out of Bronze 5 if you don't belong there, and you seem relatively bright compared to some people I've seen in my Bronze 5 matches. You just need a good role and champion to carry with... at least until you get out of such an unreliable ELO. Bronze 1-silver 5 might be ok to resume playing what you want, but Bronze 5... needs a certain champion-role combination to be able to win consistently enough to climb out before the end of the season, let me tell you...XD

GenghisEmoFeb 22, 20161 votes

A lower tier would be great. But, "Garbage", although funny, it is toxic.

I know all too well there r really bad or inconsistent players, but dont go getting toxic. Said plsyers, drag others down. Win lane, take out botinhib, they group bot. Bit top os what u ping for and ur forced to group with others. They out of position and die. Fight lost. U retreat. They tilt. U tilt cause ur the best or 2nd best in the match. I know, ice been there.

But u need to consider strategy. Dont depend on ganks. If ur losing, tell ur jg to go elsewhere. Push leads elsewhere.

We need to: one, rename division. Two, explain thoroughly in a relatively calm way.

Possibly "Rookie Division". For those with little to no mechanical skills. No knowledge. No team interest. Basically. A Division of players that gives an air of Normal Queue. Still, im sure they r more consistent than Silver (Silver, everyone thinks they can carry or should carry, offer little peel or lack key tactical awareness). But Silvers still has mechanics, awareness. But lacks consistency.

SwiftKitten88Feb 22, 20161 votes

i luckily have never been placed below bronze 4. and i have easily been able to climb out to silver.

i dont know how bad bronze 5 is and i dont really want to know. but i know even in bronze 2 i am able to 1v1 thier adc as while playing sometimes... (like once every 6 games or so).

if your actaully bronze 4 or bronze 3 i can see you getting stuck in bronze 5 and not being able to carry out.

but if your at least silver i think its pretty save to assume you can carry any ANY role in bronze 5 . (although i have never had to do it)