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Thoughts on assassin ekko, no memes.

Gigahappytown··2 votes·997 views

In my opinion hes a fairly strong assassin that scales extremely well into late, he has a below average ealy game and a decent mid game his mana cost aren't too high but they aren't too low either, has potential for lcs big plays but with fair counterplay to it. he can't really 100-0 people until late game and plays more like a ap melee carry overall.

Personal favorite build is ludens rush into zhonya lich bane lucidity boots deathcap and a void staff. with cdr quints and glyphs to cap on cdr since its pretty much mandatory to be honest.

i feel like the strong point of his kit is ability to have his burst combo on a 4 second cooldown compared to other assassins who have theirs on 40 second cooldowns at the most as well as his massive teamfight presence where he can single handedly win a teamfight by catching the enemy marksman severly wounding or outright killing them then zhonyaing and give the enemy a choice of stay back and let his team attack you or push forward and risk getting nuked by chonobreak

overall i think hes pretty balanced a assassin and one of the games more healthy designs

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31 Comments

Chuck Charles2 votes

the only reason ap ekko isn't super meta is because of how risky it is to play. he has absolutely insane burst if he lands all his ability but return Q is difficult, as is prediction W, and landing the ulti is also tricky because people are watching for it now. the only real reliable damage he has is his E and passive. which is about 100% ap scaling combined not including base damages/lich bane/ludens.

if you can however land the return Q or W that person is pretty much a goner. He's one of the few assassins who requires you to actually outplay your opponent.

His ultimate however in my opinion is the only thing that feels borderline unfair. It allows a player a free do over. tower dive, bad trade, etc. but even then. its not as bad as it could be because once its down you have to play super careful until its back up.

I don't know. tank ekko is cancer, and ap ekko CAN feel frustrating to play against. but because of the skillcap I feel as an ap assassin he is incredibly hard to master and use effectively. but if you ever play against a good ekko you will not say he has to wait until late game to assassinate you.

Gigahappytown1 votes

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the only reason ap ekko isn't super meta is because of how risky it is to play. he has absolutely insane burst if he lands all his ability but return Q is difficult, as is prediction W, and landing the ulti is also tricky because people are watching for it now. the only real reliable damage he has is his E and passive. which is about 100% ap scaling combined not including base damages/lich bane/ludens.

if you can however land the return Q or W that person is pretty much a goner. He's one of the few assassins who requires you to actually outplay your opponent.

His ultimate however in my opinion is the only thing that feels borderline unfair. It allows a player a free do over. tower dive, bad trade, etc. but even then. its not as bad as it could be because once its down you have to play super careful until its back up.

I don't know. tank ekko is cancer, and ap ekko CAN feel frustrating to play against. but because of the skillcap I feel as an ap assassin he is incredibly hard to master and use effectively. but if you ever play against a good ekko you will not say he has to wait until late game to assassinate you.

I have too disagree with q its easy to land to proc passive then chain the returnal, also ekko won't insta kill anyone till death cap it will usually take a full combo and a few auto attacks and another Q to kill players pre deathcap, i agree with the rest though.

AtheosisX1 votes

I think Ekko is fundamentally lame, assassin or tank. His ult is just stupid.

WinBoat1 votes

His ult can be avoided ALWAYS. If you get hit by a Ekko ult, then you're just bad.

As for using it as an escape tool, and stuff. I got no problem with it since most other champions have BIGGER escape tools that's not a ult, and MORE champions have ults that are way more annoying.

ninjaIRL 1 votes

What if you're a tank that needs to peel for you carry? Getting hit by it means I'm bad huh?

WinBoat1 votes

Go around his clone then, or take the hit like you're supposed to do. If you're a tank, then you should build tank, have good HP.

Sorry, no excuses from being hit by a Ekko ult.

What's even more funny is if laning against him, you can avoid all his skills. His Q does shit damage on the first hit, but the 2nd hit coming back does more damage (that should be swapped around in a update if you ask me, or they should just buff the damage on the first hit better yet). If hit twice, that sets his passive to proc on the next hit, usually going to be his E skil, again all of which can be avoided if in lane.

But this is team fights, still, no excuses being hit by a Ekko ult. It's called awareness, playing smart. Even if he hits you with his ult, generally people won't target the tank and much rather hit the ADC's anyways. So yeah.

ninjaIRL 1 votes

So you're still saying that if I'm a tank and I get hit by an Ekko ult because I was peeling and cockblocking for my ADC then I'm a bad player? No excuses for being hit by an Ekko ult?

WinBoat1 votes

UNLESS you are a tank then, it's justified. Also more often than not, if Ekko was to ult back into you, you guys should be able to just crush him to death almost 1 shot him since he will probably at that point be isolated from his team.

Why are you trying to ask these trick questions? His ult isn't bad. It's the least of my worries, maybe upon release when Ekko was strong before being hit by the nerf bat you could argue your point. Owell, it's all subjective and a matter of opinion. In my opinion, I think Tryndamere's ult is full bull shit, and Caitlyn's ult which has a huge range, and so many more. Master Yi's ult is just cancer if he's fed.

ninjaIRL 1 votes

Because every time someone says, "You're bad if you get him by an Ekko ult." Doesn't seem to consider that no everyone plays squishy carries who can't survive his ult. If an unskilled player was looking this now, you'd basically be saying that don't engage Ekko because you are bad if you get hit by hit ult, even if you're a tank.

His ultimate used to be bullshit but now it's much easier to deal with.

WinBoat1 votes

Now I ask, why are you complaining about being hit by a ult? Especially a ult that for the most part can be avoided compared to pretty much all the other ults that is almost 100% sure to hit you?

So you rather be picked off by Teemo Shrooms for half your HP? You rather be hit by a karthus ult, everyone for that matter, or countless other ults? Yeah, Ekko's ult is the least of the worries. What about Lux's ult? That's gonna 1 shot almost everyone behind you.

ninjaIRL 1 votes

What if you're a tank that needs to peel for you carry? Getting hit by it means I'm bad huh?

So you're still saying that if I'm a tank and I get hit by an Ekko ult because I was peeling and cockblocking for my ADC then I'm a bad player? No excuses for being hit by an Ekko ult?

Because every time someone says, "You're bad if you get him by an Ekko ult." Doesn't seem to consider that no everyone plays squishy carries who can't survive his ult. If an unskilled player was looking this now, you'd basically be saying that don't engage Ekko because you are bad if you get hit by hit ult, even if you're a tank.

His ultimate used to be bullshit but now it's much easier to deal with.

No. I'm complaining about how every "Ekko's ult is easy to dodge so you're bad" believer can't consider that sometimes there is nothing you can do but to take the ult so that Ekko can't get to your carries. I'm not complaining about his ult, I'm complaining about players who've never played tank for their team and has no idea how to tank. You're misleading unskilled players reading your posts by saying, "No excuses getting hit by his ult." When there are excuses there are necessary times for you to sacrifice your HP so your carries live; plenty of times.

WinBoat1 votes

Well agree to disagree then.

You started your entire post saying that his ult is stupid. I'm pointing out the fact that there are worse ults, ones in which may be harder to not be hit by that do as much if not more damage than his ult does. His ult isn't stupid, for the most part it can take some skill to even land a good Ekko ult, fits with his chrono theme.(Yeah, Ekko is sorta my main, my favorite champion by far for now although I been enjoying Volibear lately). All his abilities involve some degree to skill.

So again, would you rather be hit by a Lux ult? One that will hit everyone, or Karthus ult? Teemo shrooms?

kJs1 votes

That's not me dude. That's one way to look stupid.

Have a nice day.

WinBoat1 votes

Still tho. Fact remains, more worse ults than Ekko's to be hit by and ults in which you can't avoid as easily. Have a nice day!

SouL1ess1 votes

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What's even more funny is if laning against him, you can avoid all his skills. His Q does shit damage on the first hit, but the 2nd hit coming back does more damage (that should be swapped around in a update if you ask me, or they should just buff the damage on the first hit better yet). If hit twice, that sets his passive to proc on the next hit, usually going to be his E skil, again all of which can be avoided if in lane.

Ekko should be initiating with E, not landing Q.

E->Q->AA->Q2nd half is more suitable as the combo. Add a predict W before that so you can tank further damage, hopefully stun them with your 60% slow, and kill them within the stun.

Gigahappytown1 votes

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His ult can be avoided ALWAYS. If you get hit by a Ekko ult, then you're just bad.

As for using it as an escape tool, and stuff. I got no problem with it since most other champions have BIGGER escape tools that's not a ult, and MORE champions have ults that are way more annoying.

Thats not always true You can be hit by ekko ult in some cases even if you were doing your best to avoid it examples are you lose vision of ekko and therefore lose vision of his ghost You are locked down by crowd control and cannot avoid it you can't dodge it because trying to would only cause you to get caught by someone else.

and if ekko ult being hard to hit was a problem they would of not nerfed the hitbox.

TyroneWatermelon1 votes

he can 1SHOT people at any stage of the game,he got so much utility and so much base damage and cc for NO reason that its better to build tanky and still do almost the same damage. ive seen too many ekko tank junglers,even after the increase ap scaling on W,still very viable

Gigahappytown2 votes

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he can 1SHOT people at any stage of the game,he got so much utility and so much base damage and cc for NO reason that its better to build tanky and still do almost the same damage. ive seen too many ekko tank junglers,even after the increase ap scaling on W,still very viable

the damage difference between ap and tank ekko is massive if "tank" ekko is doing any damage hes not building tank ekko tank ekko deals as much damage as tank fizz.

LithiumWednesday1 votes

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tank ekko deals as much damage as tank fizz.

Before or after AD changes?

TyroneWatermelon1 votes

LOOOOL look at the beautiful comments,OP downvotes anyone who disagree's with him

LithiumWednesday1 votes

He's particularly frustrating to play against when he's ahead, but clutch ults feel really good.

Shroom Junkie1 votes

He was terrible when he was first added though. Dived everyone, strong all throughout the game, easy plays with his ult and stuff, terribly low mana costs, etc. But yeah, I gotta admit Riot got it right on this guy's nerfs.

Slamurai Jack1 votes

Ekko is fundamentally a design failure because he's an assassin that's not particularly good at assassinating people but crammed with so much utility that people just play him tank instead. He was also intended as a laner but his trading power and wavelear has been nerfed so hard that he's only good in the jungle where he doesn't have to duel people often or worry about waveclear. I think the end result is fine but he's clearly a design failure from Riot's perspective.

lolipopevelynn1 votes

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P4ppino1 votes

Ekko's power curve is like this: fairly strong early, epic mid-to-late game, average-below average late game. If you build him full ap, he wont be that useful lategame, since you will just get blown up when u try to go in. Landing your ultimate is huge, but it is extremely hard to execute. You want to buy morellonomicon 1st, since it gives you some much needed cooldown reduction leading towards an even stronger midgame, and with morello you don't have to take cdr quints, just put AP in it, and go for the CDR/lvl glyphs as they will help scaling into lategame harder.

Gigahappytown1 votes

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Ekko's power curve is like this: fairly strong early, epic mid-to-late game, average-below average late game. If you build him full ap, he wont be that useful lategame, since you will just get blown up when u try to go in. Landing your ultimate is huge, but it is extremely hard to execute. You want to buy morellonomicon 1st, since it gives you some much needed cooldown reduction leading towards an even stronger midgame, and with morello you don't have to take cdr quints, just put AP in it, and go for the CDR/lvl glyphs as they will help scaling into lategame harder.

. What Its the opposite... Lichbane and ludens massively outscale morellos the only reason to buy morellos is for cdr the mana regen won't help as ekkos mana cost are too high

ap ekko is the MOST useful late game

Ekko scales the best into late game out of all assassins only barely beating talon and rengar by virtue of having constants high damage instead of 1 big burst taking a void staff instead of the "meta" abysall scepter lets you easily kill tanks and if your dieing as ekko late game when you try to assassinate you are playing him wrong.

tank ekko 3 people does nothing ap ekko stuns 3 people kills the squishyest zhonyas then destroys the rest.

Sasogwa1 votes

I don't think he's an assassin tbh. I'd more classify him as some form of mobile defensive control mage. That seems weird, but he cannot really 'assassinate' that easily. He's more about getting his delayed teamfight stun down (much like Veigar), his ultimate can hardly be used offensively, and most of his AP ratios are in that ultimate. He's more like the guy that will fuck you up if you try to assassinate him than the guy that will go balls deep in to kill an enemy carry. No wonder he's been played as tank. His whole kit is one of a peel, defensive champion.

Gigahappytown1 votes

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I don't think he's an assassin tbh. I'd more classify him as some form of mobile defensive control mage. That seems weird, but he cannot really 'assassinate' that easily. He's more about getting his delayed teamfight stun down (much like Veigar), his ultimate can hardly be used offensively, and most of his AP ratios are in that ultimate. He's more like the guy that will fuck you up if you try to assassinate him than the guy that will go balls deep in to kill an enemy carry. No wonder he's been played as tank. His whole kit is one of a peel, defensive champion.

???? no they aren't Riot specifically avoided having ekko reliant on his ultimate and hes not. His ap ratios are really high.

Sasogwa1 votes

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???? no they aren't Riot specifically avoided having ekko reliant on his ultimate and hes not. His ap ratios are really high.

Passive ratio 0.8 Q ratio 0.1+0.6 E ratio 0.2 R ratio 1.3 meh W is ridiculous (1.5) but it's on a shield with short duration and not damage.

Gigahappytown1 votes

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Passive ratio 0.8 Q ratio 0.1+0.6 E ratio 0.2 R ratio 1.3 meh W is ridiculous (1.5) but it's on a shield with short duration and not damage.

don't forget lich bane which is pretty much mandatory.

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