Today, I played Shen top. I ulted to my bot lane to save them from a Zed gank.

Melledoneus··5 votes·1,189 views

My 250 HP shield and my squishy ally's remaining HP (about 150-200) should have been enough to save my carry from a Zed with nothing but item 3133. The Zed simply auto attacked my ally, killing them through the shield and about 200 HP, and walked off while we all stood there thinking, "what?"

Please explain this to me.

44 Comments

Ralanr3 votes

Zed's passive probably.

Melledoneus1 votes

But Zed's passive should have only done about 65-70 extra damage, since my ally had about 670 max HP. It just doesn't add up.

Ralanr1 votes

What level was he? Maybe he had more ranks in his W?

Melledoneus1 votes

Level 6, but his ult was on CD.

Ralanr1 votes

Hmm...then it's possible he put a second rank into his W which gives him more AD (for some reason). So that may have done it.

Melledoneus1 votes

I'm not sure he could have that much AD with such limited items. He may have crit like somebody else said, but otherwise it makes no sense.

Quepha2 votes

Link a replay and people could help you.

Hayaishi22 votes

Seems OP is leaving out something else.

Melledoneus1 votes

Things I could have possibly missed: -An ignite proc -A thunderlord's proc (unlikely) -A possible cannon minion shot traveling in the air -A bug that made the shield from Stand United not mitigate the damage

Other than that, I have no clue.

Papa Slothy2 votes

as a Zed main I can say that 1 auto attack even with the passive is not enough to deal 400-450 damage BEFORE armor, are you sure he didn't use Q or E to cancel the auto?

Melledoneus1 votes

Pretty sure. He had already expended his combo before I ulted. Then he switched to his W and just auto attacked.

Papa Slothy2 votes

a single auto attack cannot deal that much damage even with Zed running full armorpen on a full build

Meep Man1 votes

Passive?

Papa Slothy1 votes

even with the passive it's not enough, IT MUST have been thunderlords or an ignite

Melledoneus1 votes

That's exactly what I was saying. So what the hell happened?

ToolooT1 votes

you didnt taunt him

Catastrop4 votes

He couldn't taunt him if he wasn't there.

ToolooT1 votes

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He couldn't taunt him if he wasn't there.

then zed was fed enough to shred though his shield and the ult was a waste

Melledoneus2 votes

The Zed had nothing but a item 3133. Can you see why this confuses me?

Anraton1 votes

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Zed

Zed ult deals 100% ad + 45% damage dealt .... item 3147 90 + 25% of missing health ...

something like that

Melledoneus1 votes

I don't see how this has anything to do with this situation besides the fact that it's a completely different part of Zed's kit.

Anraton1 votes

sorry i didn't get zed didn't have duskblade ... my bad ....

ok .. zed lvl .. about 7? 71 ad flat + 25 from item, zed passiv would deal about 64 magic damage (@800 hp max) ... 10-12% additional damage from masteries ... runs maybe an additional 10 damage ... armor and magic resist ... with a single aa he shouldn't even break the 250hp shield

Melledoneus2 votes

Which is what baffles me.

Catastrop1 votes

The only explanation I come up with is #JustZedThings.

MisterHealYoGirl1 votes

I'd guess that it was some combination of Zed's passive (which is a fairly large chunk of max HP) and maybe a lucky crit. (One rune OP).

KrugLyfe1 votes

Good I hate shen's ult most annoying shit in the game.

Melledoneus5 votes

It's a minor shield and a delayed teleport on a 3 minute cooldown. If you hate it, then the enemy Shen is doing a good job, my friend.

KrugLyfe1 votes

I'm not your friend ya dirty shen player

Melledoneus6 votes

It seems like you aren't anybody's friend with that attitude.

KrugLyfe1 votes

It's impossible to be friends with people you don't know silly.

DorkunedAuras3 votes

But it's possible to be friendly with people you don't know. That's how you make friends instead of alienating everyone.

Melledoneus4 votes

If you don't even try, it's impossible to make friends PERIOD.

KrugLyfe1 votes

I just don't like making friends with random people online is that so wrong?

Ralanr2 votes

...You friended me.

KrugLyfe1 votes

Lol i don't know you though

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

Zed can't autoattack or what?

LilxPaprika1 votes

if your ult was lvl 1 and you didn't have much ap, then ya she should of died. I think its fair too because it gives enemy team a a hope in hell early game to make plays before late game shen ult becomes a pain to deal with.
as if being able to port anywhere your ally is on map with taunt on arrival isn't strong enough. Lvl 1 shen ult is best used to engage with then to save a team mate.

Melledoneus1 votes

This is true. I agree completely that early on Shen's ult isn't potent enough to ward off coordinated attacks.

However, I would expect it to take much more effort than a single auto attack to punch through the whole thing.

Meep Man1 votes

I assume this was a passive enhanced Zed attack so it seems... ok.

The Deckowner1 votes

deathmark proc+the zed is very fed.

Stephenizgod1 votes

I had an experience similar and I know this seems reasonable but to be honest its not very fun, so I was Malz against Zed. I have never fought Zed with Duskblade but i didn't think it would be any different than before when I could destroy him for coming close to me. A Zed with only Duskblade and Hexdrinker flashed onto me Q'd then AA'd and then ulted my Kindred so i couldn't ult him. At 50% hp this insta killed me thanks to Duskblade :(. I am so use to being able to kill a Zed right when he ults, but with Duskblade and Hexdrinker its no longer possible, the damage is actually incredibly high. I would have Zhonya'd but i didn't think his Q+AA would do 50% of my HP, i really underestimated Duskblades damage in addition to Zed's extreme no skill damage.

Just to be clear im not saying Zed requires no skills, but all he did was point blank Q then AA me and ult out so i couldnt retaliate, that did half my life... thats an insane amount of damage for how little effort he put into it.

SnugglePuggle941 votes

Yea that's Riots clear balance there.....-.- I remember one time late game, I was playing Caitlyn. I had Merc Semitar in my build and was building an armor item as my last item to be able to defend more against the fed Zed on the enemy team, who had Duskblade, Maw, Sterak's, Merc Treads, and I think Bloodthirster. He ulted me, so I cleared the death marks with Merc and E'd away, he shot a Q and bam I was dead. I was like wtf? I was full health.

The hatred I have for that champion.....you don't wanna know.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

The Whamboozler1 votes

Zed "Balance is weakness."

Van Darkholme1 votes

Zed's passive is an execute and even if your target is shielded, it still pulls from the health total to calculate the damage.

So if you have very low health and get shot by a 4th Jhin shot you're still liable to take 1000 damage.

Kind of a bummer, I wish shields counted as giving you psuedo-health for the purposes of executes and % health damage.

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