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Can we stop saying Riven doesnt take skill just because she killed you..

it be lìke that··51 votes·3,633 views

You know as well as i do, when Riven is free and someone on your team picks her, no mastery no skin you cringe, and immediately sigh.

So how come when one actually knows mechanics and can animation cancel well enough, "she takes no skill"? The skill** FLOOR** for her is 0/10 20 cs at 18 mins. Im willing to grant you that her escape is toxic and frustrating, not to mention half the amazing tech boxbox has taught me. (i just stopped my first lee sin q the other day, i shrieked like a schoolgirl) That doesn't make her a no skill champ though, infact to play **CORRECTLY **(not at the skill ceiling) just to play correctly, she is easily a top 5 hardest champion in league, I strongly believe this. Everyone is condemning her now because her ult buff, but literally every high ranked Riven main has said "I don't notice a thing"

If you get thrashed by Riven in lane and feel the need to flame her, just remember... "What is broken, can be reforged." Riven

129 Comments

DatAlexTho16 votes

I am a Riven main. Its actually so funny to hear the enemy toplaner saying "gg man u picked a champ thats broken and has no skill".While they are playing Yasuo.

it be lìke that6 votes

I usually get this treatment from Pantheon . And i just want to dome myself over the irony.

GULAG 4 U4 votes

Yasuo does take skill and the reason why he's strong is because right now the item build paths are perfect for him.

it be lìke that9 votes

Glass cannon yasou i would argue takes some skill. I dont think anyone is furious about this build path, people complain about his wall but thats a never ending story.

tanksou couldnt be more simplistic.

GULAG 4 U5 votes

FUll ad yasuo takes skill, tanksuo a lot less.

THE RlVER KlNG13 votes

The most frustrating thing about Riven is that if she gets even the tiniest bit ahead she just dashes on top of you and then chains her CC so that you have very little room to react, especially as a carry. Even if you do manage to survive the 3 Qs, W, and all the autos she squeezes in between there, there's a quick, ranged execute for you to deal with on top of that. Animation canceling is hard and I applaud truly skilled Rivens, but the champ is downright unfun to play agianst with multiple excapes and a lot of CC, on top of her free Sheen.

Btw, of course high elo Riven mains aren't noticing anything....they'd be the ones who are good enough to bring people low as it is for the execute to kill. But people playing against it notice the increased execute.

Xeruon2 votes

The reason most people die to Riven early is due to them not respecting her range, CC, and damage. Sure, you might loose the odd CS here and there, but 20 CS is a pretty good trade if there won't be a Riven on the other team completely steamrolling you.

THE RlVER KlNG12 votes

Sorry to bust your bubble but counterplay towards a champion should not be sit back and miss whole waves because the champion has such insane kill pressure. That's the same reason Fizz is unfun to play against, because he can cover large distances quickly to delete you.

Xeruon1 votes

I dunno what's so difficult about freezing the lane under your turret as you watch her desperately try to harass you as she takes turretshot after turretshot, or playing a tank who will always be 10 times more useful than her in teamfights.

Missing a few waves really doesn't matter when Riven doesn't get fed, honestly. The only way she can steamroll you is if she kills you in lane over and over, since she can't roam much due to her position on the map.

THE RlVER KlNG6 votes

Honestly I shouldn't be forced to not farm from Level 1 because x champion is too strong. In your scenario, the non-Riven player never wins - they either try to fight her or push and die, or they sit under turret competing with it for CS while Riven gets to free farm and becomes strong anyway. Listen to yourself man.

Frius9 votes

the cancer animation canceling needs to go then you can balance

deadlychuck3 votes

I agree, animation canceling is not something which is really balanced around, and it's made all the worse, when it's on mobility

Nuparu1 votes

Riot has stated numerous times that Riven is balanced around it.

deadlychuck2 votes

I'm not talking specifically about riven in this. I'm saying animation canceling isn't an aspect which riot balances other champions around. So, while she might have a set amount of power, given animation canceling. It's a unique kind of power which other champions aren't equipped to deal with.

Buff Jax please8 votes

She is rather hard to play effectively.

Arcus Diabolus7 votes

Actually, every Riven thread I've found so far has been a consensus of people agreeing Riven has a bad rep. I'm really excited about it, actually. For years I've been condemned for even liking Riven for her fighting game inspired playstyle and now I can talk about her at length without much backlash.

it be lìke that2 votes

I love everything about Riven, from her playstyle to her lore.

She is my favorite champion all around.

Imo she is an incredibly designed and very unique champion, not kit wise, thats pretty standard, q damage, w, tech, e, dodge. but what they all do no one else does anything like it.

Arcus Diabolus2 votes

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I love everything about Riven, from her playstyle to her lore.

She is my favorite champion all around.

Imo she is an incredibly designed and very unique champion, not kit wise, thats pretty standard, q damage, w, tech, e, dodge. but what they all do no one else does anything like it.

You and me both. I only play League on the side, since my primary games are fighting games, but when I do play League, I make a point to choose Riven whenever possible. She's the only champ that I can take my skills and apply them in league. I would argue that Riven is the sole reason I got into league in the first place.

THE RlVER KlNG4 votes

Defending Riven is the new circlejerk right now because of the people crying over her ult buffs. Give it another patch and people will go back to hating on her.

WoonStruck6 votes

She doesn't take skill in the large majority of match-ups regardless of whether or not she killed you.

Her early kill pressure is the least skillful part of Riven. Its everything AFTER laning phase that makes her difficult; specifically if she couldn't abuse her braindead snowball potential level 1-6.

it be lìke that2 votes

I see you know a lot about high skill cap champs with your vlad spam.

/sips tea

WoonStruck2 votes

Try playing Vlad vs any of the current top/mid laners.

Tell me Riven isn't easier. :)

Wild Wild Smith5 votes

When animation cancelling gets removed she'll be a good champ

Hinagiku3314 votes

No, when animation canceling gets removed she'll get massive buffs.

Have you played Riven without animation canceling? She's easily garbage tier and can't do anything.

deadlychuck5 votes

Exactly, half of her power is hidden behind an unintentional game mechanic.

Sinlaire4 votes

not quite. Riot says it was "initially" unintentional but decided to keep it and balance around it because it added "complexity to the champion." Which is what makes her one of the highest skill ceiling champions in League. Otherwise she would almost be Garen tier without it.

Voluug135 votes

I dont think Riven is a no skill champion. Now.

At the moment Riven has to use a higher degree of mechanics that when she was the Bitch Queen of Toplane, because she had a broken kit AND high numbers. The real problem is that Riven, in her highest moment, was able to destroy anything. She could do things othr champions couldn't even dream of doing, while being manaless and having high numbers.

She was proto-Yasuo in that regard. Now she has gutted numbers out of necessity, but her kit is still obnoxious and annoying to deal with unless you counterpick her.

adidas4 votes

Nobody says she doesnt take skill and whines about it.

We just dont like her player base always being txoic

it be lìke that3 votes

Tbh, im a 5/10 skill wise riven, i mostly play normals with her because im not refined yet, the toxicity i get every time i get a kill is insane. my last game where i was like 8/9? (team fed super hard so we got crushed) but i had rengar 0-5 in lane. 2 minutes didnt go by where he didnt remind me what he thinks of riven and her skill level.

I think the stereotype for the "salty riven main" is kinda a frankenstein type of thing, it wasn't born, it was created.

**Disclaimer i wasn't around the for FOTM pandemic so i cant speak for it. even people who dont even know this condemn riven, probably based off hearsay i guess?

Arcus Diabolus7 votes

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I think the stereotype for the "salty riven main" is kinda a frankenstein type of thing, it wasn't born, it was created.

The stereotype came from FOTM sheep flocking to Riven because she was the strongest thing at the time. They acted like shit heads and gave the whole champ a bad rep for years afterward.

Meanwhile, the core Riven fanbase just quietly practice their combos and maintain her steady 10% pickrate.

adidas5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Arcus Diabolus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=b5r2AKdL,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2016-08-27T20:03:16.082+0000)

The stereotype came from FOTM sheep flocking to Riven because she was the strongest thing at the time. They acted like shit heads and gave the whole champ a bad rep for years afterward.

Meanwhile, the core Riven fanbase just quietly practice their combos and maintain her steady 10% pickrate.

It's not that its a stereotype. its literally a majority of my games with riven on my team and the enemy team are toxic and cuss out their jungler or are afk by 10 minutes.

I literally have a folder of every riven teammate and enemy ive had for the past 2 months and only one out of 50 was not toxic.

Arcus Diabolus1 votes

{quoted}

It's not that its a stereotype. its literally a majority of my games with riven on my team and the enemy team are toxic and cuss out their jungler or are afk by 10 minutes.

I literally have a folder of every riven teammate and enemy ive had for the past 2 months and only one out of 50 was not toxic.

Is that controlling for the generally toxic community or are you seeing a Riven say something and gave them hell for it? Because I've yet to meet very many Rivens that act differently than everyone else, of course there being a few particular exceptions.

The point is, the community as a whole is infamously bad. You can't expect toxic-less perfection from a Riven if you hold them to a different standard.

adidas3 votes

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Is that controlling for the generally toxic community or are you seeing a Riven say something and gave them hell for it? Because I've yet to meet very many Rivens that act differently than everyone else, of course there being a few particular exceptions.

The point is, the community as a whole is infamously bad. You can't expect toxic-less perfection from a Riven if you hold them to a different standard.

I can show you so many pictures of just riven in general cussing out their teammates. i literally have a folder of riven and yasuos.

I do understand there are a few rivens that dont act toxic but obviously you wont be able to see for yourself because you take riven at champ select haha.

But yeah man trust me, you seem cool but rivens in general... attract a 13-14 year old player base.

Troll for Trump4 votes

She's balanced on animation cancelling. Just fix animation cancelling and balance her kit accordingly.

RIght now you have to lower numbers due to people abusing anim. cancel

it be lìke that3 votes

half the fun of playing riven is the cancel, without it her kit wouldnt be nearly as fast paced and she would lose her appeal.

deadlychuck2 votes

exactly, the ability to play at a faster pace than other players is what makes her so infuriating to play against.

Same with Yasuo LeeSin Fiora Zed

They could be the lowest win rate champions in the game, but because they more control over the pace of the fight, it leaves you feeling helpless when playing against them. Think how unfair a game of chess would feel if the other player got to play at twice the tempo.

If this is how a chess turned played out.

Player 1, picks up piece. Player 2, makes their move. Player 1, places their piece. Player 1, picks up piece.

Troll for Trump2 votes

Yes, but she's currently entirely based on animation cancelling when she shouldn't be; She should get a rework, so her abilities are based on the kit as opposed to animation cancelling.

Qiyeanu Reeves4 votes

Generally when I bitch about riven it's because of her stupid escape like...boy resourceless champion that can get stomped in a 1v1 and then suddenly turn around and jet away. so skilled!!

SkyBlade794 votes

She's similar to Azir in my opinion. Both high skill but both overloaded with power.

Seekêr3 votes

I do hate riven, but I do acknowledge that she takes skill. That doesnt mean I have to accept her for what she is.

IS3E531E3F9643912 votes

so far 10/10 times every riven with the bunny costume skin has been an asshole, then again that skin probably attracts the horny teens so it is to be expected.

Genocide Victim2 votes

Can we stop saying Riven takes skill.

Veltox2 votes

I don't care if said champ takes 'skill'or not as long is not retarded design like Riven or Leblanc .

Shifune2 votes

People complain about Riven because just about all of her power is from a mechanic that Riot never intended to be there. Riot decided to leave it in though because apparently everyone sucks at Riven if they can't abuse animation cancelling.

PokladnicaZla2 votes

It's not that I hate her,but damn so much kill pressure,snowball potential and mobility.Have you tried to catch a Riven? It's like chasing a squirrel on steroids.

DahakaProd2 votes

If only the majority of champion roster could follow the same logic - skillful player on a champion = win, but it's not, having skill means jack shit on majority of champs, you complain about that one Pantheon that rekt you in the early game, but you probably still won the game because you outscale pretty much everything.

You argue about Riven taking a lot of skill, you can say that for just about every champion, difference is you stomp most and still complain, when other mains take their loss and move on. I'll keep banning her for the same reason I cannot stand Yasuo, even if you stomp them through all that bullshit of a kit they have, all they have to do is farm to stomp everything and anything in the late game.

Refer A Friend 12 votes

Let's _say _Riven does have a high skill cap, that should not be used to excuse her overloaded kit. She has so much stuff in her kit I personally feel that other parts need to be pretty weak.

LeeSin , Yasuo and Kalista have the same problems for example, though without the skill cap part of it. They are complete ball of stat champions.

rtbf2256182411 votes

She does a lot of damage even if you play her wrong. I personally don't play her at all because i can't animation cancel at all on her and therefore, wouldn't be able to master her.

it be lìke that2 votes

this is just simply not true, a riven who misuses moves and cant cancel is a paperweight.

rtbf2256182412 votes

You do realize, i'm mostly talking about her Passive. Right?

Misusing her passive damage by overusing abilities before spending the extra damage buff with a basic attack and not canceling the basic attack is something that's forgivable due to her damage is what i meant.

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