Snowballing in the context of the "pls keep Zed and Riven disabled threads"

megagnura··2 votes·766 views

The whole issue brought up by Zed and Riven being disabled is a whole bunch of hate/pls nerf this champ is also imo because all of these champions are extremely snowbally.

Because these champions such asZed Akali Fizz Ekko Riven Leblanc Vayne Yasuo is all based off the fact that they all scale REALLY REALLY WELL into late game. This means that if one of them gets ahead early they will outscale an enemy who is already behind them, this usually means that they are ahead of EVERYONE else and due to the nature of assassins will resultingly snowball out of control and stomp the game.

Snowballing as a larger issue could be considered the most fun or soul-crushing part of league of legends. Its hilariously fun to be able to kill the enemy carry as fizz with 2 spells, however being on the other end is the most frustrating part of the game.

Being at the point where out playing or having better mechanics that the other player won't win you the duel because one spell puts you at half health and their auto attacks deal a quarter of your health is not fun. We all know this.

This point is why assassins often get the most hate/bans and nerf requests from the community. Something the community tends to forget(or at least it seems to me) is that an assassin is SUPPOSED to kill you quickly and efficiently, so it should not be surprising that when an assassin gets ahead they will kill you even faster, at this stage of the game bruisers and tanks will also be vulnerable since they haven't had time to build the defensive items they need to survive that kind of burst

In conclusion understand that fed assassins doing exactly what they are supposed to do especially and the way to deal with them is to group up and catch them out of position instead of making a "Rito pls nerf thread"

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CrazedPorcupine1 votes

There's a difference between "Snowballing because you played well enough to get ahead" and "I'm behind, but I got my big ticket item that instantly allows me to kill you, so now you can't do anything about me anymore"

Dusty Rodgers1 votes

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There's a difference between "Snowballing because you played well enough to get ahead" and "I'm behind, but I got my big ticket item that instantly allows me to kill you, so now you can't do anything about me anymore"

That item is shiv for yasuo

megagnura1 votes

fair point, his passive is still ridonculous so much power from the one to 3 items time period

megagnura3 votes

This comment is basically item 3931 on Jax in a nutshell ,

Sure you killed me 5 times early game, but....

I'MM BBAAAAAaaaACK

TheRakkun1 votes

Only healthy assassins TBH Rengar Evelynn Talon Diana Fiddlesticks (Don't tell me he's not) Why? Because it's easy to shut them down because if they fuck up they haven't got a million and one ways to get out of the shitter.

Lord Dusteon1 votes

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Only healthy assassins TBH Rengar Evelynn Talon Diana Fiddlesticks (Don't tell me he's not) Why? Because it's easy to shut them down because if they fuck up they haven't got a million and one ways to get out of the shitter.

I don't think Rengar or Talon can be seen as ANY form of a healthy assassin. Rengar either jumps in, deletes someone in .01 seconds, then runs away with a massive speed boost or kills someone in .5 seconds and dies. Talon either jumps in, does his whole combo (EWQ Hydra R) and then walks away with stealth and a movement speed boost. Neither of those afford much counterplay; you either died instantly with no time to react, died comparatively slowly to the first and maybe had the assassin die to, or the assassin doesnt have their items and is behind and died without doing anything. That's not healthy. You can't outplay a 700 range gapcloser assassin that has a .01 or .1 second combo and then massive movement speed.

As much as I hate to say anything nice about Zed, he is a reasonably healthy assassin IN HIS ASSASSINATIONS (putting that there. Not as healthy in his easy waveclearing). He relies on his ultimate to kill, which has a .75 second delay before he appears exactly behind you and a 1 second delay before he can teleport back to his shadow. If he misses his Q's, unless it is VERY late game and a squishy is trying to fight him in melee range after he missed he will not kill. Even then, his ultimate can be shielded/healed/zhonya'd/QSS'd to either mitigate or outright remove the damage. Sure, he can escape easily, but he provides the people he is fighting against ways to outplay him and survive instead of "I 100-0 you instantly then run away."

Also, Fiddlesticks is the least assassiny person I know. His damage relies entirely on someone staying in W range or in R range, and he has a single target fear for that. If you wanted another assassin Shaco would be better there, as he fits the "if they fuck up they haven't got a million and one ways to get out" (he has to use Q to get in range of everyone. Q is his only escape tool).

TheRakkun1 votes

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I don't think Rengar or Talon can be seen as ANY form of a healthy assassin. Rengar either jumps in, deletes someone in .01 seconds, then runs away with a massive speed boost or kills someone in .5 seconds and dies. Talon either jumps in, does his whole combo (EWQ Hydra R) and then walks away with stealth and a movement speed boost. Neither of those afford much counterplay; you either died instantly with no time to react, died comparatively slowly to the first and maybe had the assassin die to, or the assassin doesnt have their items and is behind and died without doing anything. That's not healthy. You can't outplay a 700 range gapcloser assassin that has a .01 or .1 second combo and then massive movement speed.

As much as I hate to say anything nice about Zed, he is a reasonably healthy assassin IN HIS ASSASSINATIONS (putting that there. Not as healthy in his easy waveclearing). He relies on his ultimate to kill, which has a .75 second delay before he appears exactly behind you and a 1 second delay before he can teleport back to his shadow. If he misses his Q's, unless it is VERY late game and a squishy is trying to fight him in melee range after he missed he will not kill. Even then, his ultimate can be shielded/healed/zhonya'd/QSS'd to either mitigate or outright remove the damage. Sure, he can escape easily, but he provides the people he is fighting against ways to outplay him and survive instead of "I 100-0 you instantly then run away."

Also, Fiddlesticks is the least assassiny person I know. His damage relies entirely on someone staying in W range or in R range, and he has a single target fear for that. If you wanted another assassin Shaco would be better there, as he fits the "if they fuck up they haven't got a million and one ways to get out" (he has to use Q to get in range of everyone. Q is his only escape tool).

Rengar and Talon might kill you instantly, that's the point of an assassin,but atleast with Talon and Rengar they can't escape and can be shut down by your team.

Lord Dusteon1 votes

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Rengar and Talon might kill you instantly, that's the point of an assassin,but atleast with Talon and Rengar they can't escape and can be shut down by your team.

They both escape rather easily. Rengar kills you almost instantly, then runs away with a 45% speed boost and youmuu's. Hard to be shut down when someone sees an exclamation mark, instantly dies, and you are 450+ units away before anyone can react. Talon does much the same, only with a 2.5 second stealth and 40% ms boost.

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