Master Yi: Too Many Buffs In a Row

fudgecakeyhead·Jun 17, 2018·28 votes·10,373 views

Master Yi has had too many buffs in the most recent patches. He wreaks havoc on lower elo players, including me and he has a 53% winrate in both bronze and silver.

Patch 8.9 * Warwick nerfs*- less competition for Master Yi

Patch 8.10 * Scuttle changes*- basically made only afk farmers viable , including Master Yi Patch 8.11 Baron Nashor nerfed- Master Yi can take it even easier now Hunter's Machete compensation- more attack speed for Yi, speeding up his clear Essence Reaver rework- even more attack speed for Yi when he ults

Patch 8.12 Sterak's Gage changes- base AD to bonus AD, making Yi do more true damage on his E while also giving him tankiness and tenacity Riot pls nerf

36 Comments

HammermancerJun 17, 201815 votes

you forgot item 3124 rework and conqueror rune which all happened recently

Troll for TrumpJun 18, 201815 votes

Patch 8.9 Less competitiont for everyone Patch 8.10 Made only early dominant jglers, particularly at lvl 2, strong. Which is unfavorable for Yi, who is weak early. 8.11 It's compensation. Not a net buff. 8.12 He's getting Sterak as at least his 5th item. That change doesn't really mean anything.

He needs a rework.

Snowman ArcJun 18, 20184 votes

Leave it to these boards to see buffs wherever they feel like, because they got stomped.

Cait MainJun 18, 20181 votes

Thank you for not being ignorant and for avoiding delusional arguments.

MathejackpotJun 18, 20186 votes

Scuttle changes buffed afk farmers? lol

BestPudgeNAJun 18, 20182 votes

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Scuttle changes buffed afk farmers? lol

They did. Level 2 gankers and AFK farmers. You don't need to be a strong duelist for crab, you need your team to have lane priority esp. mid lane.

AtmosphereJun 18, 20184 votes

With Rageblade and Essence Reaver, Yi does about 50% true damage. He was already extremely powerful if you didn't CC him, but now you CAN'T CC him because Essence Reaver gives him his W every 2 seconds.

WubbaLubbaDubDabJun 18, 20183 votes

what does essence have to do with true dmg?

AtmosphereJun 18, 20181 votes

It increases his auto attack speed when he ults by 30% and refunds his Q cool down partially for each auto.

4th3t0sJun 18, 20181 votes

His e active I assume, item 3508 just removes the downtime the cooldowns were intended for.

BestPudgeNAJun 18, 20181 votes

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what does essence have to do with true dmg?

E has more uptime with it

SasogwaJun 18, 20181 votes

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E has more uptime with it

If you can't kill someone in 5 seconds as Yi there's a problem.

Snowman ArcJun 18, 20184 votes

The nerf to WW doesn't make Yi stronger. The 8.10 change didn't make AFK farm junglers stronger. Let me play Graves vs Yi and show you how to stomp such a game. The item changes were universal, they were not a Yi buff. The only straight buff he got was the bonus attack speed at level 1.

BestPudgeNAJun 18, 20181 votes

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The nerf to WW doesn't make Yi stronger. The 8.10 change didn't make AFK farm junglers stronger. Let me play Graves vs Yi and show you how to stomp such a game.

If the 8.10 changes didn't make YI stronger then why did the boosting strat that existed for years and years become something so good that it now sees play in pro play and challenger tier. This all started in 8.10

Hint: It's because Junglers can't really gank all that well anymore and if you aren't getting a broken early game jungler like Xin or Graves it's better to just pick something that scales hard like Yi.

Snowman ArcJun 18, 20182 votes

Well, the Taric-Yi thing became strong for one reason only. It was always strong. Same like Kayle - Yi or Zilean - Yi, this was always strong, it's just people didn't know about it. Do you know how people got to play this? Only after it got top posts in Reddit. Do you know why it got there? That's because Riot reintroduced duoQ in challenger and some players in China in particular were now able to abuse duoQ with strats like this to get from diamond and masters to challenger. This led to Reddit posts complaining about how strong and uncountered this tactic is and the rest is history.

Therefore, these are the steps:

Riot introduces duoQ back in challenger.
Diamond - Master - Challenger players are not able to duoQ again.
Some duos, in China, get to abuse strats like this that offer huge advantages over uncoordinated soloQ teams.
A lot of duos were hard boosted in challenger, which got a lot of Reddit action.
People got to know this strategy because of it, and tried to apply it to their games for free elo.
It did find success, because it is a strong strat, and that's why a lot of pro teams also tried to utilize it. In a meta of chaos, you might as well go for the cheese strats and get some victories.

BestPudgeNAJun 19, 20181 votes

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Well, the Taric-Yi thing became strong for one reason only. It was always strong. Same like Kayle - Yi or Zilean - Yi, this was always strong, it's just people didn't know about it. Do you know how people got to play this? Only after it got top posts in Reddit.

People already knew about it. It's a common boosting strat and it's been around for years. It just wasn't ever good in high diamond or pro play because JG was an actually role back then.

Do you know why it got there? That's because Riot reintroduced duoQ in challenger and some players in China in particular were now able to abuse duoQ with strats like this to get from diamond and masters to challenger. This led to Reddit posts complaining about how strong and uncountered this tactic is and the rest is history.

It got popular cause DOPA faced it on stream and reddit yes. But their is a reason that happened during patch 8.10 and 8.9. Because having Fed mid/jungle + a second support is often greater then just having 2 carries. After 8.10 Jungle is always underleveld so why not just make jg+mid a duo lane. This gameplay style literally predates league. People used to use these style strats in DoTA All-stars years before league was even a game.

I made a joke thread about it when patch 8.10 which explains how to get a "Super graves" via going mid with smite, shoving and counter JGling. Obviously this isn't good as the duo strats but the same basic principle applies, outfarm and abuse the opponent after you outfarm. And for the same reason. JG exp sucks dick and the role is a joke right now.

AirKingNeoJun 18, 20182 votes

Machete gave 15% AS and his compensation buff was 10% AS. It's a net nerf.

Snowman ArcJun 18, 20181 votes

Machete now deals more damage on-hit though. Overall, it was a buff.

KZ EngelJun 18, 20184 votes

you forgot the guinsoo's melee buff, conq being added, and stormrazor being added

Red WreckageJun 18, 20183 votes

You list nerfs to other champs as buffs to Master Yi....

Scuttle changes?

Nashor nerfs?

Yi lost 15% attack speed on machete. Compensation was lower.

This much salt....LMFAO.

Pixie StormJun 18, 20182 votes

Warwick is one of my mains, there was a point where I could deal with him as Warwick, im a pretty decent jungler, i gank often in comparison to other junglers, but recently I've had to ban him to stop him from just getting fed off of my bot lane

Red WreckageJun 18, 20181 votes

ganking often =/= pretty decent jungler. when playing a strong early gank champion like WW too.

Slice n Dice emJun 18, 20182 votes

Play him against pantheon, jax, udyr, shaco and warwick then comment me a reply how did your game go. Btw I am not asking you to go taric+yi combo because thats a different problem, that's not as yi problem that's a funnel comp problem.

AirKingNeoJun 18, 20182 votes

Patch 8.9 Warwick nerfs- less competition for Master Yi

That isn't a buff. That's an artificial boost to winrate.

Patch 8.11 Baron Nashor nerfed- Master Yi can take it even easier now Hunter's Machete compensation- more attack speed for Yi, speeding up his clear

No one solos Baron and Yi gained 10% bonus attack speed, even though Machete gave 15%. That's not a buff.

Patch 8.12 Sterak's Gage changes- base AD to bonus AD, making Yi do more true damage on his E while also giving him tankiness and tenacity

Who builds Gage on a champion who has ZERO bonus health?

SasogwaJun 18, 20181 votes

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That isn't a buff. That's an artificial boost to winrate.

No one solos Baron and Yi gained 10% bonus attack speed, even though Machete gave 15%. That's not a buff.

Who builds Gage on a champion who has ZERO bonus health?

I clearly don't want to defend people that try to find excuses to say Yi is broken when the only real broken thing is the supp strat and supps in general (like come on, competitive sometimes plays 3 supps in a comp and nobody bats an eye??)

But :

With Baron damage nerfs, Yi can easily solonash. Aatrox too soloes Nash desperately easily (but it takes ages)

Gage itself gives bonus health, it's not like we're talking about Pyke here. Also Yi can take some health like a randuins and be fine.

AirKingNeoJun 18, 20181 votes

yeah except no one actually solos nashor because that's a stupid thing to do

also gage giving a shield for 75x4 = 300 HP is nothing.

SasogwaJun 18, 20181 votes

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yeah except no one actually solos nashor because that's a stupid thing to do

also gage giving a shield for 75x4 = 300 HP is nothing.

450*.75 = 337.5 actually

With Randuins it's more like 850*.75 = 637.5

You could take Overgrowth for all I care. In any case it's maybe not as good as it is on other buisers, but it's not that bad either. As a standalone it gives 58-59 bonus AD come lategame and 450 + 337.5 = 787.5 HP

and its value is increased by any health buy.

Malix FarwinJun 18, 20181 votes

Master Yi is what i consider kinda a problem child champion. by this i mean where as most champions you wont see much performance issues between issues but for him he is like a god in low elos and mediocre to weak in high elos so they kept buffing him to be good in higher elos so now we got the mess with Yi X Taric. The reason its so strong is because it covers every weakness Master Yi has while allowing him to snowballing very quickly and early.

ZeyphelJun 18, 20181 votes

I don't think that they care about nerfing him. They like seeing him make pentakills with only right click + Q. Now, if he ults he will have Q every 2 seconds because of essence reaver, Jump+Jump+Jump, Pentakill. He is like the very very old kha zik that jumped a lot but with 3x damage and AAs that hurt more than abilities and execute way faster. In low elo matches where coordination is pretty unusual, players and unable to fight him and so they loose and keep stuck in bronze. This is the Cycle, every year. Riot only cares about Diomond + Master Stats so GL with him because he is not going to receive any nerfs. But Hey! Diamonds are starting to feel the weight of this champion too because before these buffs they could team up and stop him but when Master Yi jumps multiple times in a short time there is a problem, he can avoid stuns with his Q and now he can use It multiple times so... You can figure out the rest.

Just Look what some pro players are saying during their gameplay in the recent days...

Captainn GinyuJun 18, 20181 votes

master yi an xin go hand and hand now though ill admit no one was as broken as xin in seasson 1

WubbaLubbaDubDabJun 18, 20181 votes

ikr its ridiculous tanks dont even do shit on yi,u get tabi and thornmail NOONE CARES cuz yi has op true dmg,rageblade and botrk

HyquiemJun 18, 20181 votes

Master yi is basicaly an overloaded true dmg yasuo, but with a mad early game. This alone just sounds disgusting but playing vs yi is out of the question mate,

Maligaro SpikeJun 18, 20181 votes

He doesn't need a nerf but a rework that gets rid of his comically low skill floor but still maintains his skill cap, I know master yi is supposed to be an easy champ for a fun game but in his current state he's literally braindead unless you're daring to play him in d4 or higher.