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i serouisly understimated thunderlords and its really good maybe too good at just level 15 with 474 ap it was dealing 250 bonus damage
also maybe stormraiders surge be reduced or halved for ranged champs
Erockandroll1 votesWith the exception of the base damage. I fail to see how this is stronger than death fire touch. which has .5 bonus Attack and .2 ability power.
Also there's a 30 second CD on Thunderlords. Probably not that useful for DPS or All Ins. (but just fine for poke.)
UberAffe1 votesIt may do less total damage than deathfire but it is upfront damage instead of damage overtime which inherently makes it stronger.
Gigahappytown1 votesWith the exception of the base damage. I fail to see how this is stronger than death fire touch. which has .5 bonus Attack and .2 ability power.
Also there's a 30 second CD on Thunderlords. Probably not that useful for DPS or All Ins. (but just fine for poke.)
>being this retarded
Assassins want burst NOT sustained damage
thunderlords decree is perfect for all ins it deals its damage right away instead of in a dot and is not halved with aoe effects.
Meep Man1 votesBecause Deathfire has 6 base damage and only 10% more AP, while Thunderlord has 10-180 and is AoE and instant.
Deathfire is great for poke, Thunderlords is great for burst.
Flyer Beast1 votesStormraider's Surge is best on assassins, especially AD. AP assassins can use deathfire touch pretty well too. Thunderlords Decree works but it isn't quite as good.
Hyrum Graff1 votes[{quoted}](name=Flyer Beast,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ar6U7EB1,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-11-13T20:40:47.456+0000)
Stormraider's Surge is best on assassins, especially AD. AP assassins can use deathfire touch pretty well too. Thunderlords Decree works but it isn't quite as good.
Thunderlords is significantly more bonus damage than Ludens. It's pretty good, IMO.
Flyer Beast1 votesIt is more damage than 
, just its once every 3. This means that unless 
has used 2 spells, her ult wont do bonus damage if shes just going back into lane after recalling. would give ult bonus damage in this scenario without using her mana, Also thunderlords decree has a 30 second cooldown. You could get off atleast 4 procs during that time, and 4 procs do more damage than thunderlords decree.
Hyrum Graff1 votes[{quoted}](name=Flyer Beast,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ar6U7EB1,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2015-11-13T20:47:09.114+0000)
It is more damage than
It also procs off of AA's. I'd be willing to bet it's set to proc off damage, so if you just E-AA them it'd proc thunderlords (like how you can get 3 spellthief stacks that way).
Yes, you're right that Thunderlord's isn't as much poke as Luden's. That doesn't make it useless for poke, and especially doesn't make it useless for burst.
Flyer Beast1 votesAD assassins can use deathfire touch well too because assassins are about spells and deathfires touch is too. Thunderlords is better for burst, and hopefully no one ever uses it on 
. Ludens also gives the 10% movement speed though, and it does have a 0.15% AP ratio so its not a downer passive.
Meep Man1 votesI already am using it on him, also Luden's AP Ratio is 10%
Flyer Beast1 votesThat's Cheap. Thanks for that little detail.
ChaosThief1 votesI tried Stormraiders on 
Let me just say I am not swapping that out any time soon.
Flyer Beast1 votesCool Lol, I can imagine that being decent.
CasterGilgamesh1 votesI like death fires grasp on Talon along with his Noxian diplomacy
Rivvy1 votesBut in the end, is sacrificing the Armour Pen./ Magic Pen. worth it?
ChaosThief1 votesIt still gives flat pen instead of % pen. 3 + .3 per level as well as it being for BOTH.
