According to op.gg, they're 53.9%, 52.3% and 53.7% respectively. Some of my friends argue that this is too OP, and they deserve nerfs, but I think otherwise, and would like to learn them. Do you guys think Riot is going to nerf them any time soon, or that they deserve nerfs?
Hemulen Magi3 votesI think 
being meta is generally healthier for the game than certain other common marksmen picks, 
, so I am hesitant to suggest nerfing them directly. You have to consider who would rise to top tier in their place if they were nerfed. Marksmen as a class might be over-buffed right now.
I'd say nerf 
a little bit, but leave defensive marksmen items strong 
so that their survivability isn't hurt. Riot could nerf a lot and it would still remain viable if not core on many marksmen. It's a good place to take oppressive strength out of the class while encouraging marksman build diversity.
Tuition Fee2 votes[{quoted}](name=Hemulen Magi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aqipeEAJ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-21T03:59:21.016+0000)
I think
I'd say nerf
Agreed, mostly because it nerfs Yasuo indirectly too :P
Sucction1 votes[{quoted}](name=Hemulen Magi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aqipeEAJ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-21T03:59:21.016+0000)
I think
I'd say nerf
Though I think Sivir is also a terribly unhealthy champion with the new PD, the others are great.
Having a meta with Jinx/Ashe/Draven/Jhin or something would be lovely. ADCs would have fair counterplay for once, and not stealth every single second! That'd be the day.
Hemulen Magi1 votesI think the healthiest marksmen meta trio would be 
. I consider these three to also be the most archetypal of what a marksman is as a class (though I wish the others actually deviated further from the standard archetype for the sake of variety).
's kit has counterplay in certain regards, but then he is so snowbally on the other hand. If he gets lucky enough to snowball hard early on, then his inherent counterplay is wiped away by the difficulty in punishing/outplaying a snowballed champion (not much room for counterplay once they 2-shot you and stat-check you in every trade). Outplaying a hard-snowballing champion requires a combination of them hard-misplaying combined with help from your team to shut them down. If Draven didn't have hyper-snowballing as part of his design, then he would feel more fair since his axe mechanic does naturally have counterplay.
I don't think 
has been a good example of a healthy champion for most of his life. At his core, he might have a healthy design, but he's like Ezreal in that he is frequently warped by strange item interactions. I think he has been very unhealthy whenever he's had itemization that lets him turn into "the fast" or when he was gaining 1000+ AD with Rageblade for another example. I used to think Jhin was a fair and healthy champion, but my opinion of him has changed over his existence. He might be fine right now, but I am now wary of him.
Sir Saltarin1 votesNo, they wont nerf the core items of already weak adcs such as 
because other are strong with it
LTK KoRo2 votesshe's not weak, maybe compared to sivir or jinx she's. But compared to non-adc she's fucking decent
General Matty3 votesI'm happy honestly. Would be nice to see other adcs than Lucian and Vayne.
Edit: OP you have a typo in there, i think you meant deserve nerfs not ganks.
Tuition Fee1 votes[{quoted}](name=General Matty,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aqipeEAJ,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-02-21T13:28:23.386+0000)
I'm happy honestly. Would be nice to see other adcs than Lucian and Vayne.
Edit: OP you have a typo in there, i think you meant deserve nerfs not ganks.
That ain't a typo, that's my brain shitting itself. But thanks, fixed!
General Matty1 votes[{quoted}](name=Tuition Fee,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aqipeEAJ,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-02-21T16:56:39.072+0000)
That ain't a typo, that's my brain shitting itself. But thanks, fixed!
O rip
Lemonfaace3 votesI’ll take some Ashe buffs any day, but I don’t think she’s OP. When marksmen have power (reverted IE), it should be expected that their winrates will increase cuz more damage in their inventories. Ashe for one hasn’t received noticeably direct buffs in I dunno how long. December?
Sir Saltarin2 votesSivir already got a W bugfix nerf (deserved)
From OPGG: http://www.op.gg/champion/statistics
52.14% winrate 6.01% pickrate
51.61% winrate 7.65% pickrate
52.57% winrate 19.85% pickrate
Now, why are you not complaining about Vayne and Lucian ? On the same OPGG they have
52.47% winrate 23.47% pickrate
52.07% winrate 22.47% pickrate
So has almost the same winrate AND more than x3 pickrate than
Tuition Fee1 votes[{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aqipeEAJ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-02-21T09:14:53.044+0000)
Sivir already got a W bugfix nerf (deserved)
From OPGG: http://www.op.gg/champion/statistics
Now, why are you not complaining about Vayne and Lucian ? On the same OPGG they have
So
Sorry >-< I was kinda tired and I guess I only saw those three. I'm not complaining about their winrates, just asking to see if you guys think they'll be hit with a hard nerf any time soon, or/and if they're worth learning.
Sir Saltarin1 votesOh no, none of this adcs will be nerfed in months and months, otherwise I would be really surprised.
Ashe imo is the best adc to learn how to play adc but to master her she's lackluster on soloQ due to her kit being more utility focused than other adcs.
Jinx is probably the best soloQ adc and I recommend you to play her, she's also really fun imo.
Sivir is usually seen as a boring adc but I love her, she's my most played adc this season.
macspam2 votesSivir is essentially strong because supports are still extremely strong and dictate botlane. With her spellshield and W she can play safe. There is no other ADC that really counters aggressive supports like Lux, Brand, Thresh, Pyke, etc. Not that Sivir completely "counters" them but she relieves a lot of the pressure.
LTK KoRo1 votesthey're op and crit deserves nerfs again
Speeedy1 votesI don't think the items are the problem because of how cait is doing. I think is in her sweet spot right now of not too weak nor over powered. The champions themselves need to be turned down a little.
Linna Excel1 voteshttps://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/overview/adc/by-winrate https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champions/
Ashe is definitely fine, the other two are a little high but I'd like to see another patch hit before riot thinks about doing anything. Yeah their popularity is a little high, but on the other hand they've got no significant ban rate meaning no one minds playing against them.
Pandemic Punch1 votesI would be fine with it if it is mainly due to enchanters. If they can perform that well with wonky supports, then they could be over tuned.
Håneri1 votesjinx gonna be alright in solo q
ashe and sivir are good picks too
are they op? fuk no