So, I had a game with a super friendly feeder

Tuition Fee·Jan 27, 2019·62 votes·17,057 views

Basically, a Tryndamere got camped and everyone was flaming him for doing poorly, saying that he should uninstall, get cancer, etc. Anyways, it got bad enough to the point where our mid, adc and jg were all flaming him, not taking into consideration that he got camped into oblivion. I thought he was gonna troll us or flame back, but nope, he kept apologizing and trying his best, even splitting and taking like three turrets and a drake. We lost the game not because of him, but because our midlaner got caught. I guess what I'm trying to say here is that I appreciate it when I get super friendly players like that Trynda, who try their best even when things aren't looking too hot. Thought a bit of positivity could brighten everyone's day ^-^

27 Comments

Kei143Jan 27, 201925 votes

This is the time I honor tryd for being tilt proof.

FCJAAAAGOOOOJan 28, 20191 votes

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This is the time I honor tryd for being tilt proof.

I'd genuinely honor him with the standard ggwp honor. He did what he could and played well all things considered.

The "Tilt-proof" honor can be a backhanded compliment.

IlovemobasJan 27, 201924 votes

Title is wrong. Feeding and trying your best but losing lane are two different things. I hope the tryndamere reported the toxicity btw.

Ao DraconaJan 27, 201918 votes

I applaud this trydnamere

IPromiseTomorrowJan 27, 20194 votes

ONLY YOU ARE THE REASON WHY YOU'RE TOXIC

NOT YOUR TEAM

Tryndamere Props to that positive fellow

FioraWillCarryJan 27, 20193 votes

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not taking into consideration that he got camped into oblivion.

No dude. Stop making excuses for him. Unless this was a high Diamond game, being camped is no fuckin excuse to feed your ass off. I don't recommend flaming someone but I totally understand why his team would flame. I'd have been fuming too depending on my mood. And yes, you did lose the game because of him. It's his fault your team had to deal with fed opponent.

Also, for anyone curious why camping doesn't mean anything below high Diamond, consider this:-

A jungler ganking in Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum: Jungler randomly runs into a lane, hoping the enemy didn't ward and throws abilities randomly while hoping for the best.

A jungler ganking in high Diamond, Master and Challenger: Jungler watches the state of a lane. If the enemy is low HP, jungler pings. Laner sets up large pushing wave or hard shoves(whichever is better under the circumstances). Jungler and laner dive low HP enemy and kill under tower. Sometimes, the mid laner would see the play in advance and start roaming and it becomes a 3 man dive. Also while all this is happening, everyone knows where the enemy jungler is so no chance he just randomly comes and fucks everything up.

Which scenario do you think being camped would actually mean something? Being camped in Low elo doesn't mean shit.

ExpStealerJan 27, 20193 votes

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No dude. Stop making excuses for him. Unless this was a high Diamond game, being camped is no fuckin excuse to feed your ass off. I don't recommend flaming someone but I totally understand why his team would flame. I'd have been fuming too depending on my mood. And yes, you did lose the game because of him. It's his fault your team had to deal with fed opponent.

Also, for anyone curious why camping doesn't mean anything below high Diamond, consider this:-

A jungler ganking in Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum: Jungler randomly runs into a lane, hoping the enemy didn't ward and throws abilities randomly while hoping for the best.

A jungler ganking in high Diamond, Master and Challenger: Jungler watches the state of a lane. If the enemy is low HP, jungler pings. Laner sets up large pushing wave or hard shoves(whichever is better under the circumstances). Jungler and laner dive low HP enemy and kill under tower. Sometimes, the mid laner would see the play in advance and start roaming and it becomes a 3 man dive. Also while all this is happening, everyone knows where the enemy jungler is so no chance he just randomly comes and fucks everything up.

Which scenario do you think being camped would actually mean something? Being camped in Low elo doesn't mean shit.

You're forgetting that majority of people in low ELO don't know how to play from behind. Most recent case? Me (Garen) vs Vayne on top lane. When she made that pick into me I legit thought I was done for, but my jungler (Rammus) gank her at least 7 times over the entire game. Why? She was hard pushing under my turret, permanently overextended and didn't put even one ward the entire game. My point being that if you get camped you would start manipulating waves and warding thoroughly to make sure you don't die anymore and feed even further. Sure, you can't stop 3 people from turret diving you, but you can still reduce the damage done.

Low ELOs just don't care, just like that Vayne. Instead of adapting she kept doing the same thing, expecting a different result. She even blamed the jungler (Kha'Zix) for not ganking. WTF can an AD assassin do against a fed 100 Armor Garen with Tabis under his turret? Nothing. Hells, that Vayne even died to me once because she ulted and then had no mana for Qs. That's how hard she was pushing. At one point:

Me (to Neeko, her premade and midlaner): Your premade isn't doing too good. Vayne: You needed 4 ganks to be able to kill me, but I'm bad lol

Do I need to say more?

XidphelJan 27, 20198 votes

Sheesh. If winning is so important to you, play against bots. Otherwise, fix your attitude.

Tuition FeeJan 27, 20192 votes

He got camped to the point that both enemy jg and the top laner would just dive him, and our jg never ganked top once. Enemy jg basically lived top lane.

2Charmnot2CharmJan 27, 20191 votes

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He got camped to the point that both enemy jg and the top laner would just dive him, and our jg never ganked top once. Enemy jg basically lived top lane.

If your jungler ganked top it would just end up being worse.

You never want to gank a losing lane especially when the enemy jungler is camping it.

The better call would be to get mid/bot/support ahead and grab objectives with them while top is 1v2ing.

I'm not saying jungle is right for flaming him, just that he had the right idea not ganking top lane.

ThefrostyvikingJan 27, 20191 votes

You might have had a point there, had there not been the fact that high elo people like to smurf, low elo likes to watch high elo stream and learn from them and people actually main roles which makes them play those roles pretty well....even if they suck at all the other ones.

Any one of these could have been the enemy jungle who camped tryndamere.

ExxonVJan 27, 20192 votes

???

Plz stop. You've been silver/bronze since as far back as op.gg will go. Believe it or not ganking does not start in "high diamond", golds and plats can sometimes do it pretty good too. You know absolutely nothing about high elo so why would you pretend to speak on it?

FioraWillCarryJan 28, 20191 votes

You're absolutely right. I'm low elo so clearly I don't know what I'm talking about...right? So lets see what happens when a low elo player camps a high elo player that actually knows what the fuck he is doing, unlike you and I.

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2960443978/2125486229228096?tab=overview

The above link is to a smurf game played by TF Blade somewhere in high Silver low to low Gold. This particular game, he gets hard camped. The enemy jungler ganked him non fuckin stop. I'm not talking two or three ganks. I'm talking AIDs levels of camp. The enemy jungler built a fuckin nest in top lane. He lived in that lane. He grew up in that lane. He got married and had children in that lane. It really was frustrating for Blade to deal with that and he was visibly upset. However, did he blame his jungler? No. Did he blame his team? No. He was like, "fuck, I'm gonna 1v9 this game" and he did just that.

If you get camped by the enemy jungler in low elo and hard feed because of it, you're shit at the game and need to get better, myself included. Your team mates have every right to be mad at you. I'll say again, stop fuckin making excuses for that Tryndamere feeding his ass off. Getting camped is no reason to go 0-11. Never was, never will be.

One last thing, here is the match I was talking about where TF Blade gets camped and still shits on the entire enemy team 1v5:-

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/369487027?t=37m23s

Watch it, you might actually learn something and stop talking shit on the boards.

ExxonVJan 28, 20191 votes

Ur abit out of your lane dude. You're talking about things you've no idea, but are way to adamant about at the same time. I've made yassuo(moe) lose lane in a plat game during his charity stream. Infact laner high elo smurfs lose lanes all the time to jungle pressure, they just know how to play it better. And you, a silver, doesn't get to shit on a trynd who got camped and didn't play it like a challenger player, just because "you seent it on youtubez".

Alls im tryin to say is simmer down, you're speaking way out of your knowledge level. If you knew how any of those elos u spoke for's abilities to gank actually played... well you wouldn't be in silver would you?

FioraWillCarryJan 29, 20191 votes

Are you simple or something?

ValyrianBladeJan 27, 20193 votes

I generally find if I'm in this trynd's shoes (not playing trynd of course, but I mean getting camped and falling to a pretty awful KDA) one of two things happens:

my team realizes I'm only dying due to a camp and actually plays the game. Since I'm generally still ahead in farm despite being 0/5 I'm still in the game and get underestimated, and win those games fairly regularly.
my teammates start flaming me. They then int repeatedly into the fed enemy jungle/mid and we lose quickly with it all being "my fault".

Basically, short of someone actually inting (or dying 1v1), if someone has a bad game but overall the game isn't out of control, as soon as someone starts flaming you kind of know the game is a loss. And it's not the fault of the guy dying - it's the guy flaming who isn't paying attention anymore.

I think a lot of people really don't realize the difference between dying 1v1 or 1v2. When you're getting camped you're becoming worth less gold and XP, and they're sharing wave XP and not getting jungle XP. Basically those deaths are just gold deficits, but often not XP deficits. Whereas 1v1 deaths quickly lead to 1-3 level XP deficits that are MUCH more difficult to overcome.

Good teamplay or caution can easily bring you back from a champion having 1000-1400 extra gold (3-4 kills). It's much tougher to come back from someone with that much gold AND a 2 level lead on the map and 3 on their Lane opponent who is entirely out of the game.

Which is why it's also really important to not die to roams after making your opponent base (ie don't overstay). Yes, you want to push the wave in, but if you die in those cases the guy getting solo kill XP can start to take over the game really quickly.

GelsominoKillerJan 27, 20193 votes

I have absolutely no quarrel with anyone playing terribly but acknowledging their mistakes. No matter how bad. As long as they try to win.

If you play terrible, flame your team, bitch, and soft int/refuse to participate with your team, now that's another story and I might not be that well disposed.

Zed geniusJan 27, 20193 votes

Had a similar situation with a Jax today. He lost his lane to the pantheon early game unfortunately, and our bot lane kept flaming him. But after all he stayed cool and never typed a single word to them back. He even said "srry" after his 16th death to the enemy fountain! To our sadness, his plan to distract the enemies by running into them 1v5 and standing still, didn't pay off, but we still managed to pull off the victory. I smashed that honour button at the end of the game! (I actually honoured him for great shotcalling)

ZyraliciousJan 29, 20191 votes

Lmao savage

Around999PeopleJan 28, 20192 votes

Players like that make the game fun even if its a loss.

ZaFishboneJan 28, 20192 votes

Is this the game where the Trynda went 1/10/0 ? Sorry, but despite the fact that I am anti-flame (never flame, never been punished in any way), and believe me that i UNDERSTAND how bad it can be to have everyone being toxic while you are having a bad time, 1/10 is just too much to accept in a ranked game. If you are on a champion on which you are at least somewhat comfortable, you should never be capable of going 1/10. Especially Trynda, one of the hardest to kill champs in LoL.

This is a case of soft inting, meaning that he doesn't intentionally int, but he also doesn't put ANY effort into staying alive, using the fact that it is a lost game to justify to himself that he isn't trying his best. And while soft inting isn't as bad as hard inting, it should steel be at least somewhat punishable, to motivate people to actually TRY to be good at the game

SyrileJan 28, 20192 votes

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Is this the game where the Trynda went 1/10/0 ? Sorry, but despite the fact that I am anti-flame (never flame, never been punished in any way), and believe me that i UNDERSTAND how bad it can be to have everyone being toxic while you are having a bad time, 1/10 is just too much to accept in a ranked game. If you are on a champion on which you are at least somewhat comfortable, you should never be capable of going 1/10. Especially Trynda, one of the hardest to kill champs in LoL.

This is a case of soft inting, meaning that he doesn't intentionally int, but he also doesn't put ANY effort into staying alive, using the fact that it is a lost game to justify to himself that he isn't trying his best. And while soft inting isn't as bad as hard inting, it should steel be at least somewhat punishable, to motivate people to actually TRY to be good at the game

I am more on board with this. If you are completely new to a champion, play draft pick and practice it out. Do not bring new champions into rank. If you are new to the game, stay out of ranked. These are easy concepts for anyone to follow in any game.

It is hard to die that much with most champions unless you are completely new and the entire team is getting trashed as well. Flaming is not the right answer perhaps, but this should be punished. Players know what they are doing and what they are doing to their teammates. There are a lot of ways of handling this to fix this type of issue.

Tuition FeeJan 28, 20191 votes

He tried. If I recall, he stopped dying a lot later into the game. It was mostly just laning phase.

KnejjtJan 28, 20192 votes

Amen brother, we need more people like him, and less people like the rest of your team! -.-

AstrovertJan 28, 20192 votes

That chat log is gold for banning people.

Just remember Riot, people who are justifiably banned are far far more likely to just make a new account and start over. Easy money.

MonstermushmushJan 28, 20191 votes

I would do the same.

iPooLiquidJan 28, 20191 votes

I was in the same game as a jungle Shaco a few days back. Was 1/6 at the beginning of the game. Pretty sure he was quite new to the game. Wanted to surrender and wanted us to say yes. I started following him around to help him out a bit towards the end of the game. After carrying him for a bit, he goes ahead and gets a quadrakill at the inhibitor turret and aces the other team to win us the game. He got the most honours even though he had negative behaviour and low kda. What a lad!