"Shaco Q has no counterplay, so we removed the damage"

Unreformed Shaco·Jun 24, 2017·4 votes·753 views

Vaynes tumble is allowed to do critical damage despite sending her invisible aswell.

Hypocritical or nah?

10 Comments

SEKAIJun 24, 20172 votes

Twitch "Hi I was hiding!!"

DiamánteJun 24, 20172 votes

Tumble only increases your next attack's damage. If you remove critical damage from it, it would make no sense at all. It would be like removing critical damage after Draven uses Q, or after Nami uses E on an ADC, or after any champion that boosts the next attack's damage. The Q makes her invisible as part of her R, not part of her Q. Vayne has such a basic kit, you can CC her and she is done if you can delete her before she can move, which honestly is not hard in this meta. There is a reason she isn't in the ADC meta, if she gets locked down, it's gg.

PrinceOfStormsJun 24, 20172 votes

Crit should never apply to AA modifiers.

DiamánteJun 24, 20171 votes

It should, there is no reason they shouldn't. Also, Vayne's damage would not even get close to low even with such nerf. She does 12% True Damage to enemies when W is maxed.

PrinceOfStormsJun 24, 20171 votes

there is no reason they shouldn't

Yes there is, it's because crit applying to AA modifiers is retarded and busted.

CalabokJun 24, 20171 votes

nope.

RexxieeJun 24, 20171 votes

Vayne is still not good atm, shaco is in a better state than vayne so not sure what you're complaining about.

Shaco isnt forced to lane and lose all non ezreal matchups bot lane.

Unreformed ShacoJun 24, 20171 votes

I am not saying she is good, but its hypocritical for them to remove his Q damage, but keep her damage and then make it crit.

RexxieeJun 24, 20171 votes

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I am not saying she is good, but its hypocritical for them to remove his Q damage, but keep her damage and then make it crit.

Does she have have a clone, backstab and jack in the box? No? Its almost like abilities are balanced differently for different champs, and shaco Q has twice the range of vayne Q, longer stealth duration and can actually go over walls.