Give her dragon form Tenacity when transformed. She would still be able to be CC'd and kited etc, but she'd also have chance to move and do things in a fight. This is a sorta repost about Heroes of the Storm and Deathwing's passive of total immunity to all firendly and unfriendly buffs. I'm simply saying we should give Shyvana's dragon form some extra Tenacity to help her break through CC just a bit better, not to be immune to it. [sg-ahri-2]
Skia Asteri11 votesThat is a buff, not a quality of life change. A quality of life change would be something like making her W do its damage ticks more twice as often, but with half the damage. Like they did for Mundo W and Singed Q.
Düff McWhalen2 votes[{quoted}](name=Skia Asteri,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ao1LwATV,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-11-16T06:16:55.362+0000)
That is a buff, not a quality of life change. A quality of life change would be something like making her W do its damage ticks more twice as often, but with half the damage. Like they did for Mundo W and Singed Q.
I would consider it a buff if it made her flat out stronger. All extra tenacity would do is give her slightly more freedom in team fights. She'd suffer from exactly the same weaknesses she currently has over all.
True Garen2 votes[{quoted}](name=Düff McWhalen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ao1LwATV,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-11-16T18:06:10.197+0000)
I would consider it a buff if it made her flat out stronger. All extra tenacity would do is give her slightly more freedom in team fights. She'd suffer from exactly the same weaknesses she currently has over all.
Giving her extra stats does make her flat-out stronger. Not only that, but Tenacity is a broken stat. But giving a small amount of Tenacity tacked onto her passive, and only accumulating late-game is a small buff that would help her a lot, and be hardly noticed by her opponents.
Only two champions in the game have a native Tenacity stat.
Giving Shyv a significant Tenacity stat that is active in dragon state conflicts with the current design of the ability. Shyv R makes her unstoppable and is effectively a kind of cleanse. R timing is a skill expression (as much as it can be, since the Ult itself is kind of wonky). So giving her Tenacity after the Ult makes very little sense. (Don't engage with R. Let them sepnd all their CC, and THEN R.)
Shyvana wants Tenacity. She craves it. But making it active on R would seem silly. A Tenacity component to dragon stacks (basically a kind of Legend Tenacity stacking at half-speed) should be more acceptable.
True Garen5 votes[{quoted}](name=Düff McWhalen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ao1LwATV,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-11-16T18:06:10.197+0000)
I would consider it a buff if it made her flat out stronger. All extra tenacity would do is give her slightly more freedom in team fights. She'd suffer from exactly the same weaknesses she currently has over all.
A buff, technically, is a numerical enhancement. Giving her a Tenacity stat certainly qualifies.
A QoL (if it's not a buff) makes the champion easier / more comfortable to use, without adding power to the kit.
Sometimes QoL is used to describe a mechanic that seems so obvious that it should have been originally included - like Shyvana not having her Ult CD while dead. If that was fixed, then it would surely be a buff, but it seems like it was probably an oversight in design in the first place.
XJ999999999999995 votesall she needs to be viable is her ult needs to recharge while dead. but nope.
True Garen2 votesCurrently, her passive is worth ~200g in stats / stack. It's a bit weak. It should be 300g. Instead of just increasing the resistances, add another stat. The obvious one, considering her most recent changes and buffs, would be to tack on +5AP. But we could also just add a flat +5 Tenacity/stack. Considering the rate of scaling and what Shyvana is likely to accumulate, this isn't broken (even as a flat stat). Let it stack multiplicatively with other sources of Tenacity, and the few exceptions, a la Garen and Mundo.
Shyvana doesn't need a VGU. She just needs a couple of minor tweaks like this.
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Tweaks like: Let her stack on all epic monsters (the passive works for killing them, so it should also give a stack). W should scale with AD (not Bonus AD) now that the AP scaling has been removed. She should gain fury while dead.
That's it. (Well, I assume. We haven't started the new season yet. But this should be enough, and much of it is probably just oversight, and what they intended anyway.)
BLIGHTBRINGER1 votesHonestly I think in her future VGU she needs her R to be a toggled based ability, where she would switch between a Dragon Form and her current Human Like Form without the whole Fury thing. The reason behind it so that she can just swap between each stance in which she would benefit more when fighting.
Make her Default Form have Ranged Abilities and her Dragon Form Melee Abilities.
But at the same time adjust her cooldowns and ability/auto range (make it based on level or something) so that she doesn't end up becoming Gnar 2.0
Or make her Ranged Abilities Slower, to allow the ability to dodged from time to time.
