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The Shyvana update/rework she deserves!

Düff McWhalen··24 votes·12,927 views
Warcraft's Deathwing is coming to Heroes of the Storm

So for the uninitiated, Heroes of the Storm just got Deathwing. His main attribute is 100% immunity to all effects from allies and foes alike. He cannt be CC'd or buffed in any way whatsoever. THAT is a dragon!

"But unlike Alexstrasza, Deathwing will play in his dragon form exclusively. And he’ll be “permanently unstoppable,” meaning opponents won’t be able to slow his roll.

Allies won’t be able to affect Deathwing either. He cannot be healed by his teammates or cloned by Abathur, for example."

Now to Shyvana. She's awesome. Simply my favorite champion but she suffers badly from having no cc and her only engage is R. While I do NOT PROPOSE THAT SHE BECOME IMMUNE TO EVERYTHING IN DRAGON FORM. Her dragon form would benefit greatly from something akin to a large Tenacity buff in dragon form, or a spell shield that's good for a few charges, sort of like the Bone Plating rune. Something that would allow her to exist at least in dragon form.

The main problem with Shyvana is that even in dragon form, you can be completely immobilized and taken utterly out of the game for upwards of 3-5 seconds or more. An ETERNITY in a team fight. A champion like Olaf Olaf has total immunity as his ult and he isn't considered broken OP.

Other champions that get to exist and have windows where they can cheese everything while killing everything and take time to farm up and come on line like Shyvana: Tryndamere Kayle Fizz Vladimir Shyvana wouldn't be anywhere near the worst offender if anyone considers immunity "bad balance".

Counter play? Easy. You don't even have to change Shyvana's numbers or scaling if you enacted this change to her ult. Her ult can be baited, out played, and she can still go down with a simple focus fire, especially her AP build.

Please consider a change like this Riot. It would be an impactful, yet still healthy change for a champion that over all has been out shined in her own role for much too long.

37 Comments

Z3SIeeper5 votes

Tenacity buff? Hahaha like that'll do anything. Say hello to Knockups that every champion has nowadays.

Sewer Side1 votes

As if the community wouldn’t bitch about a champion have “free” Olaf ult.

Are you fucking joking?

Anu3isII2 votes

Olaf's Ult has total immunity to disables, meaning he cannot be affected by any CC. Tenacity instead counters a selective set of CC, while things like Knock-Ups (which are pretty common nowadays) simply ignore it. The difference between both of them is significant enough that there can be a middle ground between them.

My personal suggestion is making her Immune to Knock-Ups and Knock-backs. This way, you can still kite her with Slows and CC, but you cannot just throw her away like a pinball. If she really wants to counter CC, she has enough options from items and Runes alone.

Shepherd o Souls1 votes

Mundo is crazy right now with his free 30% tenacity off 1 point in W. Tenacity matters a lot, just because there is one form of CC that is not affected by it does not make it useless.

floo2 votes

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Tenacity buff? Hahaha like that'll do anything. Say hello to Knockups that every champion has nowadays.

How about making her a counter to knockups? Disregard anything about the cc immunity, but give her like.. something similar to an Aatrox Q everytime she's knocked up. It might be very niche, but almost every game there is some form of knockups/-backs involved. It also fits the dragon thematic to be able to fly, no?

Śhunpo5 votes

When Shyvana is so bad as a bruiser that she is now played as an AP assassin where she hardly ever even goes close to her opponents [sg-miss-fortune]

Xavanic3 votes

Shy definitely needs a rework, however riot no balance good, and will more then likely fuck it up, personally, i feel while in her regular form, she should fill more of a niche melee fighter role, using aa enhancement focused skills, however, upon entering dragon form, gain a massive pool of extra health and resistances and turn her into a caster style juggernaut (think like how morde works), with no mobility skills (outside of a movement speed buff on an ability) and just generally cause chaos with her skills, ofc with a cost of her losing a lot of her attack speed (imagine this, her bonus attack speed while in human form, is used to increase her bonus health in dragon form instead)

XJ999999999999992 votes

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Shy definitely needs a rework, however riot no balance good, and will more then likely fuck it up, personally, i feel while in her regular form, she should fill more of a niche melee fighter role, using aa enhancement focused skills, however, upon entering dragon form, gain a massive pool of extra health and resistances and turn her into a caster style juggernaut (think like how morde works), with no mobility skills (outside of a movement speed buff on an ability) and just generally cause chaos with her skills, ofc with a cost of her losing a lot of her attack speed (imagine this, her bonus attack speed while in human form, is used to increase her bonus health in dragon form instead)

shes actually good but people aren't good at auto attack champions that rely on good movement during fights to win. Her only dash is her ult, and there are a lot of tricks to get it back fast and sometimes correct to just stop attacking and wait.

people dont play shyvana right. xj9 was the only one who played her right. but xj9 is not in the spotlight, thus people dont know shyvana is good.

also, might as well make her immune to all damage in dragon form. the shit champions have now a days are insane. look at panth. lmfao.

Xavanic1 votes

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shes actually good but people aren't good at auto attack champions that rely on good movement during fights to win. Her only dash is her ult, and there are a lot of tricks to get it back fast and sometimes correct to just stop attacking and wait.

people dont play shyvana right. xj9 was the only one who played her right. but xj9 is not in the spotlight, thus people dont know shyvana is good.

also, might as well make her immune to all damage in dragon form. the shit champions have now a days are insane. look at panth. lmfao.

shes really not, shes just a bad version of nocturne rn if you build her AA based, and if only one person can play the fucking champ, then they need a rework, the only way she's viable now a days is to go ap because of her ludicrous ap damage on E and ult

XJ999999999999991 votes

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shes really not, shes just a bad version of nocturne rn if you build her AA based, and if only one person can play the fucking champ, then they need a rework, the only way she's viable now a days is to go ap because of her ludicrous ap damage on E and ult

I would say something to you but that would get me forum banned.

Just know that the player playing the champion makes all the difference. A bronze player might think a champion is bad, but in high elo, played by a player who knows how to jungle, position, and use her ult, will find her to be quite good.

I've only played 2 games of shyvana on this account, but I have a 100% winrate in diamond 1 + with a good score given the games were extended. She isn't bad. you can't just go in and face roll like tryn who has a undying ult.

I know it won't go through your head that it's possibly not the champion but the players, but you know, I try.

Profirix1 votes

It's been a while since I've played her but I had quite a bit of experience playing Shyvana. It isn't that she is necessarily bad, it is that in order to play her correctly you have to run at people in a meta where every other champion has dashes, cc, blinks, gap closers, etc. A champion like Shyvana who has none of that (except on her ultimate) and a mediocre movement speed buff tied to her W and who must keep bashing people over the head in order to succeed cannot reasonably compete. Don't get me wrong, because of her ability to run quickly with W she can dodge skillshots pretty darn well but it comes at a price of not applying your DPS and thus losing your movement speed buff early. And frankly, she just isn't that tanky; not for someone who has to sit on top of the enemy to be functional. If any part of her kit needs a rework the most, it is her passive. In no world is it ok for her to have such a bad passive that is completely team dependent. Sure, you can maybe sneak the first dragon in lower elos early but as you climb the ladder that gets harder and harder, all for a measly 5 mr/armor per dragon.

Looking to pre-season it honestly looks like with dragons having a renewed focus that her chance of really doing well on the objective control is going to go out the window. A champions power budget is is normally correlated to whether or not their kit has some kind of potent CC. Shyvana has a single, short knockback on her ultimate, that's it. There is definitely room in her budget for something else to at least make her interesting as a bruiser.

Saezio1 votes

Go tell these guys how AP shyv is bad and they should be playing AA shyv.

Mavëríck2 votes

Wish I could upvote more. The actual implementation would need serious play testing but I could see this working.

Jesi Oni2 votes

Another Chogath-size champion would be nice...

PzyXo2 votes

Now to Shyvana. She's awesome. Simply my favorite champion but she suffers badly from having no cc and her only engage is R

Ignoring the fact that her E can kill an adc and get half of a tank's health

Meep Man2 votes

I just wish we had a normal dragon character in the game. Not a half-dragon. Not a space dragon. A giant, flying, cataclysmic fire-breather that rains down hell from above.

Nielarken2 votes

Jormungandr from smite might be a better idea, all cc become slows and all knock ups becomes stuns. If this was given to Shyvana tenacity would be a strong stat on her.

Neko Siren1 votes

Shyvana deserves to be in the dumpster. Trash fucking champion.

CaptainAntiHeroz13 votes

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Shyvana deserves to be in the dumpster. Trash fucking champion.

she dummy thiccc dont bad mouth Shyvana

Nielarken2 votes

This is coming from a lvl 9 Ahri smurf account, nice bait.

KelmirOsue1 votes

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Shyvana deserves to be in the dumpster. Trash fucking champion.

She sucks atm but they're planning to rework her after Volibear and Fiddlesticks, and I hope they do so soon

Sageace1 votes

Can I upvote this 10 more times???

XJ999999999999991 votes

i thought they weren't updating that game anymore?

Arakadia1 votes

I don't think so. They just quit the esport scene or something, but the game is most certainly continuing.

ShyImagoghnar1 votes

it's a polygon article

therefore, worthless

Logicalily 1 votes

The community voted that Fiddlesticks and Volibear needs more attention and Shyvana came in 3rd place. In china Shyvana was voted #1 so Riot said " Shyvana update would be welcome, and we’ll keep that in mind when we choose which champion to update after Volibear and Fiddlesticks." [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

I say Facts1 votes

I want my Skarner to have VGU too, a scorpion predator of shurima should be too deadly to mess with, not a flat walking scuttle who builds defensive only. I hate the fact that he is so forgotten, I am still looking forward for his VGU list.

Saezio1 votes

Wait, china is like 8,9 times more accounts than NA + EUW combined. How can our votes have mattered more?

I say Facts1 votes

I like Shyvana and I like the Dragons too but from my point of view on her, if they add they have to delete something. For example: She can scale very well from Ap, on hit and has a great aura in both forms ( dragon much more ) and she can be very tanky while being on hit tough dueler, and in dragon form, she can completely shut down carries later game. However, the best way to conuter her now is to heavy CC her to avoid her damage no matter how tank she is, because bursting won't work, that's hard ccing her overtime, such as slowing at least is a good way to survive her a bit.

If they are going to add her a large tenacity, or something like the bone plating rune, then the counter play will be gone, as if she has no more reason to be afraid of CC champions, she can just transform into dragon and kill squishy targets by being on top of them while being pretty tanky, as well as dueling the tanks because she scales very well from on hit.

I don't think that's a good idea, but it can be a good idea "IF" they rework her Q and E into something else, such as, one gives a shield to absorb damage, while the other is only a flat physical damage projectile. Then a large tenacity and less damage overtime, such as, bone plating will make sense on her, since she'll be played mostly as being the heavy dragon tank who is too hard to avoid.

So we see it as like that, it's either more tanky with reduced damage, or she remains being on hit dueler.

Makarakarn1 votes

Tbh I was really sad that Shyv lost the rework vote, because I love the concept of Shyv, but the actual execution is..meh..

AlterMordred1 votes

I play HOTS, this has been asked for since the game launched.

FUCKING FINALLY

Thefrostyviking1 votes

HoTS team has gone absolutely nutters, they actually tossed in Deathwing, and his trailer was a half a troll too.

I love it.

xelaker1 votes

HotS deserves so much more than it got. Outshines league by miles.

FioraWillCarry1 votes

HAHAHAHA. Thanks for the laugh.

xelaker1 votes

Thanks for the confirmation that people not only gulp down slop.

koshkyra1 votes

Sure but do something about her AP build first because that doesnt need to be buffed.

Skia Asteri1 votes

If they choose to keep her attack speed synergy after any rework, then AS fighter itemization would need to be reworked along side her.

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