Kayle Ban strategy, SUPER OP

Düff McWhalen··23 votes·13,176 views

So here's a trick that anyone with a brain figured out but I'm saying it here so something maybe changes.

THE STRAT:

  1. In champ select, make sure you know for a fact your team is picking Kayle or not.

2,A. If your team is picking BAN HER. She is freelo.

2,B. If your team is not picking, leave her open for the other team to pick.

3,A. Play as normal, do your best!

3,B. When playing, always go for Kayle early and get your easy kills and gold.

4. Play game, try to win.

Now that we've had a laugh, however true, I'm posting this from another thread to highlight the problems with Kayle more in depth;

Put her in any role and she gets shit on. There is nowhere she is good.

Put her against the TRULY meta junglers;

LeeSin Vi JarvanIV Khazix Hecarim Graves Evelynn Twitch Elise Kayn

No chance for level 6, much less level 11. These are common junglers, front loaded kits, great itemization, natural bulk/damage combined with mobility. There's zero chance.

Let's put her top now;

Darius Kled Riven Illaoi Teemo Vayne Quinn Garen Jax Fiora

Common picks that she will be helpless against. Without any ability to trade she can't farm, without the ability to freeze, she CANNOT farm safely, if she cannot farm she doesn't scale.

Next mid;

Zed Yasuo Irelia Akali Katarina Kassadin Veigar Annie Neeko Zoe

It's not happening. Out maneuvered and out damaged in every conceivable way.

Bot? Don't make me laugh...

Lucian Draven Ashe Vayne Jinx Twitch Ezreal

Support? LOOOOL

Brand Zyra Velkoz Leona Pyke Thresh

Every single champion listed ensures greater and greater chances of a fast win, even at low elos. Each on craps all over Kayle and can exploit her lack of presence for easy gold. Good luck banning anything to help Kayle in game, you'd have to ban most of the roster at that point. Riot, you have failed again.

41 Comments

Kanzler12 votes

Yeah, kayle is easier to kill than a minion until level 11. It's only then she gets promoted to real champion.

Saianna6 votes

And at level 16 anything in range of her AA is demoted to minion :P

SweedishGunner5 votes

I've stared into the void and seen a late game Kayle and it is scary.

ZackTheWaffleMan1 votes

You stared into the Void and all of the Void creatures ran away from the Kayle

Romans VI XXIII3 votes

Wait your games last to lvl 16????

Scottsc203 votes

At level 11, she becomes literally the strongest champion in any given game.

MessyStuff3 votes

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At level 11, she becomes literally the strongest champion in any given game.

Nah, if you out lane/jg her hard enough and she doesn't have any items, then Kayle is useless until late game.

Original Sin8 votes

Failure of a rework honestly

GigglesO4 votes

It’s like playing Morde but instead of a strong middle game she is strong late game.

Mega Noob6 votes

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It’s like playing Morde but instead of a strong middle game she is strong late game.

But morde is nowhere near useless in early game, he is beast in early in top lane, you cant 1v1 him on any champ unless you get a jungler help.

GigglesO1 votes

? Just all in him as any ranged champ or hit him with a cc and he dies?

Romans VI XXIII1 votes

Lol. You funny guy

GigglesO1 votes

I'm #9 Morde world in mastery points #3 in NA... I know his matchups. I've lost to pretty much every champion in the game at one time or another. Its actually just a matter of skill...

You can kite him, or just cc, or nuke him to death...

OmegaNITRO1 votes

Tryndamere can all in Morde LVL 1 very easily. I used to think he lost that matchup until I figured that out

SpaghettiVase9 votes

damn only been out for a whole day and people already calling it a failure. Reason #2034 Riot doesn't listen to the boards.

Original Sin7 votes

It's a stupid champion design to make something completely and utterly useless before 20-30 minutes into the game. She has no level 6 power spike. Her power spike is at 11. In this early game meta where the game is decided by 15 minutes, theres no point in playing her.

You cant blind pick her at all since top is a rock paper scissors lane. If you pick her jungle she does fuck all and enemy jungler will just make sure she doesnt exist. Cant sup as her because she brings nothing to the table. Mid lane youll get fucking abused. Theres just no viable lane you can pick her into because she's such a shit early game champion. If their laner freezes at their tower theres fuck all kayle can do. She has no way to push the wave so that it can reset, jungler can just come and dick her, their riven/ darius/ jax/ any meta top will just run you down.

Youre basically fucking your team by picking kayle who takes 11-16 levels too long to do anything. Enjoy trolling your team and making 4 players lose 15lp for picking such a dogshit champion. She needs a power spike at level 6. She should get something like a tristana passive that increases her range from 1-11. Something that makes her a champion earlier. She needs to be able to have an impact in the early game. Even kassadin who has an insane late game has a 6 power spike with his ult.

Then you're gonna say 'WTF HER LATE GAME IS TOO STRONG YOU WANT TO MAKE A LATE GAME CHAMPION AN EARLY GAME CHAMP?' No obviously take some power from her late game and give her a way to lane. Because its just so fucking unfair for her to have no lane. Basically afk farm simulator where you cant even farm. TBH its like playing tower defence sim.

Glaricion1 votes

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Failure of a rework honestly

Nunu still wins the award for being the most senseless rework though. As for whether or not Kayle's is a failure? Only time'll tell. (her existence makes no sense for the current game state though)

Original Sin4 votes

(her existence makes no sense for the current game state though)

You'd think riot would design a champion with this in mind. The way they're pushing the meta themselves but they release such a champion that deviates from their philosophy is comical.

kingDeDeDarius2 votes

New nunu is sweet and old one was dog poo

jocomotion7 votes

Is that not the point of a scaling champion though? I’d rather have this than someone like Jax who’s decent early game yet still god teir late game

Original Sin1 votes

The issue is she has no early power spike.

Alzon5 votes

Just play her toplane like you would play Malphite. Sit at the edge of EXP range, use E or Q to last-hit cannons, gobble up waves under your tower, use ult when you get dove. The biggest, most important thing is getting all the EXP possible.

Even if the wave bounces and your opponent freezes it. Go ward, then sit in a bush and soak EXP while waiting for your jungler to help shove the wave all the way in and break the freeze.

GelsominoKiller3 votes

Kayle has an extremely hard time surviving anywhere until level 11.

At level 11, as long as rageblade is completed, she becomes an unstoppable force of nature. Her DPS is unparalleled.

I don't dig that design tbh.

Pink her Ult2 votes

So far I've found her to be good in lower elo because people are incapable of of punishing her weak lane or closing out games. Hell I'm 11-3 with her right now.

gileskd2 votes

finally! someone taric can win against in lane! o wait, he still cant [vlad-salute]

Makarakarn2 votes

Honestly the problem is that the rework isn't a failure at all, in it's mission, it is a complete success. The whole idea was to make a champion that started as the lowest of the low, but ascended as the highest of the high. The problem is, League isn't really built for that atm. A lot of games are decided or at least swayed by snowballing, leaving kayle in the dust. I honestly think she should have a bit more safety in lane, because before she was actually not only a decently safe laner but a dominant one depending on the matchup. I do think she should be incredibly weak in lane, but not unbearable. Almost every time I've played lane kayle, the enemy could literally ignore farm and destroy me for free. Whenever I jungled, I had to afk farm and couldn't be a presence at all causing my team to fall very behind because of the 5v4. I honestly don't know what exactly needs to be done, all I know is that Kayle needs to be shifted to at least usable early, rather than...what she is now...The only problem is if they make her TOO good or TOO safe early, her godlike level 16 will become unbearably oppressive. But right now, it's so hard for her to even get in the first place. She's like nasus, but the difference with nasus is that he scales more smoothely rather than in spikes, and actually isn't completely useless unscaled, just weak. I want her better, but I also LOVE how great it finally feels to get level 16, so Idk what you could really do with her.

Original Sin1 votes

The only problem is if they make her TOO good or TOO safe early, her godlike level 16 will become unbearably oppressive.

No thats not a problem because they're supposed to shift late power for early power. Not just a straight buff. I mean its fair for you to think that way considering riot doesnt know how to balance. Although that is the problem with jax right now.

Makarakarn1 votes

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No thats not a problem because they're supposed to shift late power for early power. Not just a straight buff. I mean its fair for you to think that way considering riot doesnt know how to balance. Although that is the problem with jax right now.

See the thing is though, I don't want her late to be weaker, but it'd have to shift some kind of power for her early to be better.

Original Sin1 votes

I don't want her late to be weaker, but it'd have to shift some kind of power for her early to be better.

Well, law of equivalent exchange is how balance is achieved.

Serika Zero2 votes

I love how my team mates ban kayle..... ÎN NORMALS.

Troy2426211 votes

Well Graves isn't meta, even after his buff he has a 47% winrate, making him C tier at best.

Mavëríck1 votes

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Well Graves isn't meta, even after his buff he has a 47% winrate, making him C tier at best.

never mind he takes no damage farming jungle, has mobility, and a huge "fuck you!" ult. Just cause he's not played much doesn't mean he isn't super strong.

Troy2426211 votes

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never mind he takes no damage farming jungle, has mobility, and a huge "fuck you!" ult. Just cause he's not played much doesn't mean he isn't super strong.

Eh, he just got buffed and is still statistically middle-of-the-road. Didn't say he's unplayable but he's clearly not a meta pick right now.

Fear the Kayn1 votes

Worst rework I've seen Riot do. She's awful and is going to need significant buffs to make her not shit.

Vlada Cut1 votes

I got deleted by Kha'Zix with a single Q. ...he didn't even hage a fully built lethality item(I think). LOL.

The Trent1 votes

I think if they gave her at least half of her lvl 11 range at lvl 6 she wouldn't be that bad.

Napoleon31 votes

top lane is good for her only in my opinion if the enemy push her her jungler can do a lot of ganks but she is still weak in too many other things about gameplay.miss the old kayle so much feels bad that they reworked her.

Linna Excel1 votes

This is why riot needs to communicate with fans during the process of VGUs: so we can call out the BS ideas while riot has a chance to remove them before they make it into the game.

SirHydro1 votes

They won't listen.

Done251 votes

Do you have a Kayle top/mid? If yes pick a gank heavy tank jungler. Camp the shit out of her lane so hard the enemy rage quits. ???? Kayle is now lv. 16 and can 1v5.

The Highest Noon1 votes

TBH I'll care more about Kayle on my team when people stop feeding with champions that've been in the game for years.

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