What if to make it more interactive Thornmail was an active item?

Mira Arya Enthe··2 votes·332 views

Now, I am far from any #koreanprofakeresportscenelcsbigplayschallenjour player. In fact I am silver, my MMR about in the top 48% of players, so I am your a-typical average player. So... I don't know pro-balancing shit. That out of the way I have a proposal, obviously numbers can be tweaked to make it work.


Thornmail: Builds from two chain vests, total cost slightly increased. 100 armor

Passive: Reduces damage taken from basic attacks by 5%, This passive is disabled while the item is on cooldown.

Active: On activation the passive is double to 10% for 5 seconds and 25%(+1% per 50 bonus armor) of all incoming basic attacks and basic attack modifiers will be reflected back to the attacker. Also applying Grevious Wounds for 1 second. (Cooldown: 30 seconds)

Damage returned calculated before Thornmail's passive/active mitigation.


This is merely a suggestion, and I would love to see other suggestions below, comments, criticisms and thoughts.

18 Comments

Raiku Kawisa3 votes

I think it would have to have a much longer effect than 5 seconds for it to be effective. I would say at least 10 seconds and even then i dont think adding Grevious Wounds is enough to make the item only work for X amount of time.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

True, however, I added passive/active mitigation, as well as bumped up the damage done back to targets from 15% to 25+1% per 50 armor. Meaning it wouldn't just counter attack speed ADCs but also bursty ones like Jhin. Could certainly use some number tweaking I agree.

Marshbouy3 votes

I'd rather have it absorb and store damage then shoot it out in an AOE skillshot. It would be pretty cool. Of course it wouldn't really be "thornmail" at that point though.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

That use to be an item on Dominion. One of my favorites. It reduced damage taken, stored it, and then you could activate it to unleash it in an AoE. Odyn's Fury.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo3 votes

thornmail is never meant to be a stand alone defensive item and it is a situational item when you are vs two or more auto attack reliant champs

it is best pared with other items that provide armor ( cuz its passive increases with more armor you get ) and items that provide hp or debuffs, such as attack speed , crit reduction etc

people think thronmail is the be all end all vs ad champs and its not...

but getting an item 3143 item 3075 makes the thornmail alot stronger

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

Agreed. If I am against AA oriented teams my build will be item 3075 item 3143 item 3047 item 3026 for armor.

I don't really think thornmail is weak atm, I just think it is dull and not very interactive.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

the attractiveness of thornmail is the cost ... its 2350 nearly 500 cheaper then other armor items and it has the most armor of 100

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

Oh trust me. I know cheap. Dragons don't like spending their gold. My items rarely go over 3000 gold. If that. Most the items I buy are cheap as cheap can be in my standard build. So I can take that gold advantage, and press it even further into more faster finished items.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

That is actually a really cool picture. Save

Big Lincoln1 votes

it should be pricier and do true damage

like rabadon's but for armor

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

no then no one would build any other armor items... it is a niche item vs a very particular team comp

Big Lincoln2 votes

it should be 4000 gold but give you 300% armor and the active turns your champion into Rammus

if ur already rammus then you turn into a bigger rammus

Oglaf2 votes

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it should be 4000 gold but give you 300% armor and the active turns your champion into Rammus

if ur already rammus then you turn into a bigger rammus

... or two Rammuses. Rammusii?

Oglaf1 votes

No ADC worth their salt will skip Lifesteal.

Thornmail is useless.

Just buy a Randium and/or Frozen Heart.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

"Also applying Grevious Wounds for 1 second."

Penns1 votes

I like the idea but it shouldnt have GW. Also only 1% per 50 bonus AD is kind of too low.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

If GW was removed I suppose the damage returned could be bumped up to reward building more armor.

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