So, who's actually a counter to the new Fiora?

WutsKraken·Aug 18, 2015·8 votes·52,889 views

And no, I do not just mean laning phase. I extend this to stopping her splitpush power

Here is who I have tried:

is shredded by her true damage harass/ult. I could not 1v1 her at any point and I never got above 500 stacks because her lvl 3 trade 100-30'd me can't poke from safety anymore outside of lvl 1 cheese Just like the old Fiora, she can poke him down and retreat until she wins the all-in and avoid his legendary extended dueling power Armor's basically useless vs her true damage harass. He can't run forever Even he is not safe from that true damage harass and ult Funny story, I was a 6/0 jungle Rengar with 4 completed items against a 0/4 Fiora with 2.5. She became 1/4 when she turned on me immediately with her ult Ehhh...only person I've actually beaten her in lane with because I lucked out with 4 lucky crits at lvl 2.

Any ranged champ was already stomped by her before rework

33 Comments

53436278DEL1Aug 18, 20154 votes

Aatrox die to die again

The FastAug 18, 20153 votes

Garen. Garen dumpsters her, or denies her really hard. If she tries going aggressive at all she just ends up losing the trade hardcore, even if she Ws the silence, she already lost the trade at that point, because Garen is in melee range.

ErijianAug 18, 20152 votes

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Garen. Garen dumpsters her, or denies her really hard. If she tries going aggressive at all she just ends up losing the trade hardcore, even if she Ws the silence, she already lost the trade at that point, because Garen is in melee range.

Haven't played against a competent Fiora on the PBE yet (Where Garen is effected by the Juggernaut update), but are you saying this in response to the live Garen or the PBE one?

Only asking because I feel like the PBE Garen won't be able to hold his own against her due to his weaker early game.

The FastAug 18, 20151 votes

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Haven't played against a competent Fiora on the PBE yet (Where Garen is effected by the Juggernaut update), but are you saying this in response to the live Garen or the PBE one?

Only asking because I feel like the PBE Garen won't be able to hold his own against her due to his weaker early game.

I say he won't dumpster her as hard with the PBE, but he should still be able to win the matchup. If he doesn't fall behind, then he basically will dumpster her with the force of a thousand suns by the time mid-game rolls around.

Ser GarlandAug 18, 20151 votes

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Garen. Garen dumpsters her, or denies her really hard. If she tries going aggressive at all she just ends up losing the trade hardcore, even if she Ws the silence, she already lost the trade at that point, because Garen is in melee range.

Funny cause he's getting reworked. He won't be the Silence man soon enough.

The FastAug 18, 20151 votes

You won't be maxing silence early, so until level 10, his silence is strictly better. Its not the silence that gets her, its the fact that she can't poke you without being in melee range of you, at which point you can spin on her with impunity.

If she tries to fight you, you can end with a silence and back off, avoiding the inevitable W. If she Ws the silence, she gets bombarded by the spin, if she Ws during the spin, she gets hit with most of the spin and the silence anyway.

Her true damage may get you, but most of her damage is still physical, so you can W a ton of that when she goes in.

New Garen also has more armor early, so you can deal with her better.

The biggest problem with new Garen is less early damage, but he should be able to maintain counter status when he scales so hard.

CrettAug 18, 20151 votes

KogMaw Azir Vladimir Jayce Lissandra Renekton

Ser GarlandAug 18, 20151 votes

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Dunno about the others but Ive consistently been beating Vlad's as Fiora. You bait out their E and parry it, leaving them with your trade damage, you unharmed and them with extra damage to themselves since they still spent health.

PhifeAug 18, 20151 votes

trynd shits on her. she cant block anything notable against a tryndamere, and has to out right fight him for cs and will always lose...

NemeBroAug 18, 20151 votes

I've consistently crushed Fiora in lane as Wukong, but that may say more about the Fiora players I've laned against than the actual champion.

Critmaster GarenAug 18, 20151 votes

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I've consistently crushed Fiora in lane as Wukong, but that may say more about the Fiora players I've laned against than the actual champion.

ive done the opposite. (mostly because i parried the knockup on the ult).

imo there might be some champions she has a bit trouble with by lategame, but no outright hard counters. but thats supposed to be the entire point of her.

she is supposed to be able to 1v1 anyone at the end of the day. you can beat her in groups, and there are some ways to fight her in teamfights. rotating knockbacks for example, if she parries the first one.

but otherwise shes supposed to be able to win any 1v1 in the game if played properly. thats her major strength.

but the way, you can parry vlads ult. so hes not really a counter either.

there are some lane counters like heimerdinger (hate facing him and his poke from behind a bunker of turrets). but lategame not so much.

NemeBroAug 18, 20151 votes

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ive done the opposite. (mostly because i parried the knockup on the ult).

imo there might be some champions she has a bit trouble with by lategame, but no outright hard counters. but thats supposed to be the entire point of her.

she is supposed to be able to 1v1 anyone at the end of the day. you can beat her in groups, and there are some ways to fight her in teamfights. rotating knockbacks for example, if she parries the first one.

but otherwise shes supposed to be able to win any 1v1 in the game if played properly. thats her major strength.

Think so? I've found that Tryndamere dumpsters her in a 1v1. Her true damage is cute, but means little to someone who can't die. And if she built fully glass cannon, she is going to die far before the five seconds of Tryndamere's ult is up.

As for Wukong, mostly I've found that, as long as I don't try to trade with my vital on the side facing her like an idiot, Wukong dominates trades with her. His upfront burst is way higher, and no Fiora I've fought has had the reaction-time to riposte my E.

BlackTh0ughtzAug 18, 20151 votes

Trynd (fee like this is a skill matchup but tilted in Trynds favor), Darius and Renekton do very well vs her. Jayce does fine vs her. Heimer dumpsters her. Thats about it from the matchups I played. Squishy top laners do not do well vs her. Irelia, Riven, etc get dominated by her IMO

OverpoweredSoapAug 18, 20151 votes

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Ehhh...only person I've actually beaten her in lane with because I lucked out with 4 lucky crits at lvl 2.

Isn't this just Trynd in general?

67chromeAug 18, 20151 votes

Any ranged champ was already stomped by her before rework

So? Rework Fiora is a completely different champion. Different build path, different power spike, different end of the fighter spectrum, different sustained vs. burst setup, different focus on skillshots vs. targeted, different focus with reliable damage vs. RNG simon-says trades, different focus on mechanical complexity to solve a wide range of issues over mechanical simplistic but more complex external problems that tend to fall into a can or can't win scenario, different animations, different splash-art, different tactical uses, different reflexive uses, different strategic uses, different play style.

Also - dashes are largely what counters range in a 1v1. That, and minions and towers being a solid barrier, as range tends to suffer far less damage from them and have more zonning potential. Pre-rework Fiora had 3 dashes and the later granted untargetability and immunity to getting kited to death, circumventing the tower and minion problem with style.

Current Fiora has a mediocre dash and no untargetability, which puts her much more in the vs. ranged camp rather than the vs. ranged camp. Melee champions better watch out. Ranged, not so much.

I don't see Fiora auto-winning vs. a large number of ranged picks. Especially if the likes of Draven can interupt her mid-dash with Stand Aside like he can to Quinn's kick, or if any CC can screw with her dash for that matter.

Sniper 0Aug 18, 20151 votes

Zac Dive me, I dare you.

insaiyanbaccaAug 18, 20151 votes

idk i havent rly encountered her much like the two times i did i think it was 1 on darius and the other on gp and i won both times hard iirc

Very Hard EngageAug 18, 20151 votes

Skarner Rammus Jax just some examples which make her life hell.

DizzyDenverSep 22, 20152 votes

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just some examples which make her life hell.

Umm, New Fiora dumpsters on Jax real hard.

But Skarner and Rammus I agree with

Posui GartAug 18, 20151 votes

Vlad-counter poke with stronger poke and sustain Chogath-counter poke with sustain, just please dont use Q if she isn't silenced and has riposte Cassiopeia-again stronger poke Rumble-same here Yorick-counters almost everything on top

supermuffin28Aug 18, 20151 votes

Shen Suffers early game, but if you can time shield decently for her q+passive poke it's manageable. After about 2-3 items if you keep her from roaming too hard you can 1v1 her (that's even after giving a solo kill up on her).

Tig3rS1Oct 24, 20151 votes

The real answer, is no one, she has no counter, she is insanely broken as proven in worlds 2015, she even dived a tank darius twice, a renekton. her true damage is insane she shreds tanks like nothing, and if you are not a tank that's even worse, she will kill you faster. and on top of that his Q cd is very low, making her able to easily chase or run away. her only counter will be riot in the next patch :D.

deviant324Oct 26, 20151 votes

Seeing as I´ve put some considerable time into trying out different things to be able to consider myself a Teemo main, I´m actually winning every lane quite safely (even against Heimer, Azir and Lyssandra, surprisingly) without much jungler interaction except maybe a skilled Riven, as the difference here is actually made by how well she can lvl 2/1 all in me. If she takes ANY poke until lvl 3 she´s usually lost lane as she can´t compensate anything from that point on (and I´m not playing Ignite on Teemo).

Now the only thing I really struggle with is a reliable way to not get raped by Fiora. I´ve been trying different picks on top as well and even played Fiora myself (losing hard against Darius btw, but I suck on her anyway and would have to constantly insult myself while playing Darius) and in the end all I can say is that it really comes down to jungler interaction at this point. If Fiora gets a gank first, I´m done. If my jungler ganks and one of us dies, even if we get her, I´m done. If Fiora hits 6 before I get a gank, the jungler is almost a save kill for her and I´m done just as well because she can 1v1 me no matter how poked she actually is.

The ONLY way for me to win this lane so far is to get a gank pre 6 and stop her from reaching 6 for as long as I can while building up gold to get off-tanky enough to outsustain her during an actual trade. I´m already starting cloth armor 5 pots on Teemo in every AD Matchup and played AD on my red runes to increase damage for a long time now, but all that is useless against her if she manages to survive until 6 or get a kill at any point before I can secure at least 1 and a significant lead in farm. My usual build to go with is instant item 3191 and get item 1011 next toegther with boots and then finish item 3116 . Problem is that a single kill can give her such an increase in damage potential that I have to way to get past her by any realistic means, since I would probably have to get a Tripple or Quadra kill out of nowhere from a certain point on.

The one thing, despite her ult, that makes me clench my booty every time a "good" (barely above average is enough honestly) Fiora lands her W on me. It´s not even about blocking my Blind with it, the simple fact that I can´t run and have my attackspeed lowered to a point where it feels like loading a cannon by hand to fire a single autoattack makes this matchup simply impossible. Even if I land my Q after the W, she can just wait out for the blind to run out and outdamage me by a ton, as I won´t deal any damage in the meantime either and once she´s already on me with no chance to escape, why not ult me instantly after the blind fades?

I really feel like when it comes to counter play, Fiora is the most broken champ in the game right now, as you can at least make Mordekaiser useless early if pulled of properly and a Darius would still lose to a Teemo if he plays properly (With balls 3 times as big as Teemo himself once Darius lands his E, by just standing next to him all the time, making him fail his Q heal and waiting for him to realise that he f*cked up)

LowlifeGoon54Oct 29, 20151 votes

No real counter in particular, it's more about timing cc rather than overall champion kits.

Jerk King OffApr 25, 20161 votes

I know it is some time ago, and Im too lazy to check if someone has replied the same but, Pantheon is the ultimate counter. His passive narrows down her damage output. His passive blocks her Q. SO all you have to do is poke her with your Q and basic some minions to keep your passive up. When you block it, it will have longer cd, making it impossible to her to actually damage you with Q or a basic for that matter. But dont go full in on her untill she is low.

NinjaCactus10May 14, 20161 votes

It's just Master Yi. The broken champion, he beats him really hard. But Zed can also be an option. If you're REALLY good with Zed, no champ can beat you (that's what Bjergsen said).

BeldairMay 14, 20161 votes

I won my lane and won ganks as Ill (the enemy talon and fizz made regular appearances in my lane).

The 1v2s i was in, i won post 6 XD

Darkslayer85May 14, 20161 votes

Pantheon

She engages you? No problem.

Hit her with a W AA Q AA E combo.

Gavrilix xMay 19, 20171 votes

Garen he is strong against fiora he can easy win her summoner 4 summoner 12

DoktorKaiserMay 19, 20171 votes

She has no real counter, you can just slow her down and hope your team has both extreme burst and extreme amount of hard CC otherwise get fucked because why not...

Critmaster GarenMay 19, 20171 votes

that necro.

personally, i tend to use Nasus with stormraider and item 3078

wither is incredibly difficult to parry. and youre just bursting her out before she can move around you.

btw, even if she parrys siphoning strike, its still going to trigger stormraider despite not dealing damage. the mastery helps chasing in case she tries to run and disengaging in case she ults.

i feel like nasus has everything needed to deal with her. he scales well and can 1v1 her mid and lategame, he can cripple her movement with wither, and he has a mix of sustain and burst to trade with her.

his e can cause a lot of problems for her. she has to auto attack to poke at you. which means she draws minion aggro and will take a lot of damage with the reduced armor when you drop it on her after she poked at you.

item 3053 being a good item on him helps aswell. it will absorb some of her ult damage. if you hide the fourth vital inside a wall, she will only ever get 50% of her ult damage on you, which is never enough to 100 to 0 you.