After playing Master Yi for the first time in a long time...

Astôlfo··10 votes·5,340 views

He feels so fucking stupid.

Sure, early clear is a bit on the iffy side, but I mean. Blue side: Krugs -> Raptors -> Red -> recall -> get base jungler item (Skirmisher's Sabre I think was the name). Red side: Gromp -> Wolves -> Blue -> recall -> get base jungler item (Skirmisher's Sabre I think was the name). Then you're basically set, because you'll probably be about Level 4 at that time. At that point, your skill points are 2-1-1-0. That's enough to pretty much safely clear any jungle camp. Sounds fairly normal for any decent jungler at this point.

Except, it's also ridiculously easy to go in for ganks at that point, between picking off people with low health that run away behind tower (thanks to your Q damage and untargetability and damage, before running back out) and just straight up fighting them along side the actual laner(s). Yeah, Q dodging to avoid actual skillshots or CC or such might take a bit more skill, but for the most part, you really don't even need that because most people can't time for crap. So you just go about hitting them and rolling on your keyboard, they die, you get a kill or assist, go farm jungle some more. Hooray, now you got Devourer. Now you just start tearing through things in the jungle as you rush Sated, while still having stupid strong ganks.

Oh right, his ult. Why on earth is it every 75 seconds? For what it can do, 75s feels absurdly short, considering you'll probably get at least 1-2 kills/assists, further extending the duration it's actually up, which is more than enough to chase someone to your next kill or just run away. Sure, it's not like a point-and-click delete, but between your damage and the Q point, you'll still melt most people anyways.

Then you probably get Guinsoo's by this point, and Sated more or less shortly after/before. Now you really just shred people into nothing. AAs go so fast the animation just looks almost funny at that point, and you can see their health bar just vanishing in seconds. Unless you somehow manage to get like every CC on you, the only way you'll really die is being caught out with low health when you don't have your W up (read: not often). Or, tanking tower shots which do just about nothing while you essentially have a dance party after you melt the person/people you were chasing and then realize you stayed too long.

Oh fun, now I have BotRK. Hello, my low health, goodbye, my low health. Hello, my enemi- wait where'd they go? Oh they're all dead. Oh cool, my life is all the way back up to full.

/rant

Anyways...

Feel free to offer your opinions. Am I just bad and is this just my delusions of some supposedly absurdly stupid champ that really isn't? Or is there any actual merit to it?

EDIT: I have a relatively high number of games on him, but that's from wayyy back before any of this stupid Sated Guinsoo's shit was out, and I was just mucking around with Six Swords glass cannon, which was still stupid, but fun, and at least not so stupid as this imo.

25 Comments

RiotRiot Sotere5 votes

You are definitely not alone in your feeling. He gets banned a ton, across all MMR. We're looking at changing that ult cooldown for 6.8.

Eyesack12 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Sotere,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=afXOrawA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-04-11T06:18:33.259+0000)

You are definitely not alone in your feeling. He gets banned a ton, across all MMR. We're looking at changing that ult cooldown for 6.8.

that's not going to change him getting banned over and over. Until he gets real nerfs to his synergy with sated devourer, he's going to remain the mongo jungle hypercarry that he is. His passive, q, e, and ult all scale with sated devourer, that is the problem.

skullzx74 votes

I've HEARD they're planning "Major" changes for Sated and Guinsoo's, lets hope major doesn't just mean taking 5% attack speed off Sated or 5 ad/ap off Guinsoo's

clement12131 votes

Then riot is going to nerf sated devourer and Yi is double punished.

big money mike1 votes

and look what they did ayy lmao

Surr20plz1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Sotere,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=afXOrawA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-04-11T06:18:33.259+0000)

You are definitely not alone in your feeling. He gets banned a ton, across all MMR. We're looking at changing that ult cooldown for 6.8.

If you're gonna change the CD can you not mess with the reset then? It's gonna be gutting.

warpenguin5551 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Sotere,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=afXOrawA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-04-11T06:18:33.259+0000)

You are definitely not alone in your feeling. He gets banned a ton, across all MMR. We're looking at changing that ult cooldown for 6.8.

Thanks! My current moto a game with a yi is not worth it to me. Then I dodge.

Crossette5 votes

His ult cooldown is hardly the only issue here.

item 3124 is a stupid item.

To be honest, item 3931 shouldn't double its own damage every two hits or even have the double hit bullshit in the first place.

One item after a few stacks, 180 bonus magic damage every two attacks on mostly AD champions. FROM ONE ITEM.

Retillin2 votes

But his Ult isn't the issue.... it's devourer/rageblad's inter action with his passive....

XxxLumberJackxxX1 votes

You are probably gone BUT

Is the problem Master Yi's short cooldown or the fact you made it so easy for AD champions to get CDR???? THre is CDR EVERYWHERE now. Heck I can build straight CRIT and get cdr

clement12131 votes

I think that change is ruining Yi. Yi cannot duel a tank in 7 seconds. You need about 3 seconds to chase, then you only have 4 seconds to attack, which is not enough to take down a tank. How ridiculous it is. Yi can't take down a tank in a 1p1 fight. Extending 7 seconds on take downs is excessive, have you ever seen a teamfight lasts for 42 seconds?

Cryo003 votes

Yeah, at least you tank Yi is not a thing anymore....Yi is bullshit (IMO) already, a tanky Yi tearing through your team was a nightmare. I hate him a lot so I'm biased against him.

Ruin Lance2 votes

really? i still see tank yis go fucking crazy after like 3 kills

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

Not to mention tank ekko too.

JafarThePanda2 votes

I play Yi never on SR but on ARAM when I roll him - I use him as a glass cannon that focuses crit/attack speed/lifesteal. It's way too easy for anyone to good with him. If you're bad with Yi, there's a fundamental problem. Therefore, no one is bad with Yi.

I don't get why rito buffed him when he's been complained about so much (season 6 is when I joined, I don't know how long he's been this good)

Edge of Daybreak1 votes

{quoted}

I play Yi never on SR but on ARAM when I roll him - I use him as a glass cannon that focuses crit/attack speed/lifesteal. It's way too easy for anyone to good with him. If you're bad with Yi, there's a fundamental problem. Therefore, no one is bad with Yi.

I don't get why rito buffed him when he's been complained about so much (season 6 is when I joined, I don't know how long he's been this good)

Yeah master yi got nerfed hard from before you got here. He definitely wasn't buffed. The items are the problem.

Minuano2 votes

In my opinion he is just horribly designed. Always going to be unfun to play against if he gets ahead at all, and his kit makes it too easy for him to get ahead AND stay ahead.

The Deckowner2 votes

yi is in that group of champions. they are old, outdated, linear, and require actual rework to change their entire kit.

yi, tryn, ww, xin, etc.

clement12131 votes

I don't think those changes on Yi are "nerfs". Riot is going to ruin master yi. May be he would be reworked when he is ruined and no one play him anymore.

The Deckowner2 votes

all the bronze silver noobs who knows nothing but freelo devourer champ will stop rito from doing so

EvilMerodach1 votes

Been a while since I've done a yi jungle..but pretty sure I could do a full clear without backing (maybe skipping Raptors, because fk Raptors...they're so tiny yet they hurt so bad), and fairly safe levels of hp at all points, unless I'm getting invaded at level 1 and my laners don't come to help.

Obviously Krugs start is optimal as long as it doesn't hurt your laners..cause of his passive. But froggy start can still get you a full clear, just have a meditate and poison/kite a couple camps..

What runes were you running?

thumbnail91 votes

This is mainly a problem to do with the over stacking of Attack speed for him.

His kit has a lot of built in attack steroids that are made to make him feel strong with his ulti up and maybe like a PD. Just enough that without ulti he's not to bad but with ulti he'll kill you because he's supposed to.

Add 2 more AS boosts to it and he suddenly has 72% more attack speed then normal and 92% more attack speed if he drops below 50%. On top of his already 40-100% AS spike he's balanced around. So when his conditions are met he can have 192% more AS and his on hits are supposed to be balanced around 40% AS and a spike to 100% AS. He uses his 100% spike almost naturally and then almost doubles his natural spike with the new build.

Then even after that he has 60 more on hit damage then he should, 5% current HP damage, and then the real kicker every second hit he doubles that shit. 120 magic damage, 10% current health, double true damage, faster double strike.

Either they gut all his on hits damage to adjust it to the new AS and Devourer, or they gut the items. Seems how both Rage blade, and Devourer are OP across the board, they really just need to gut those.

Decrit1 votes

Actually, i think it is mostly his E.

His Q is simple but intresting enough and can lead up to many failures, his ult is pretty plain but is clear and iconic.

His E is a mess. While not being overpowered by itself placed in a kit like his, which is already based a lot on AAs between passive and ult, can really blow up power out of proportion in a very sneaky way.

trash sion1 votes

His early clear is fantastic. Start Q, then W, then E. Meditate after every camp, use Q to dodge camp damage. Almost full HP by the end of the clear.

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