Kalista's win rate dropped by 5% after the last patch

Altricad·Sep 6, 2015·16 votes·2,110 views

AND YET, they don't address her main issue, which is her retarded objective control with rend

Srsly, that is unnecessary ( and useless in solo queue) power that is forced into her kit YOu could make kalista deal 1 damage with an auto-attack and she'd still be picked in the LCS Her sentinel "soul" has such an absurd range, 5000 RANGE! just WHY. If I wanted a champion to scout out the enemy, I'd take

The nerfs to her auto-attack damage is ridiculous....

Actually, what does Riot want Kalista to be? A lane bully? but they just nerfed her sentinel damage A hyper late game carry? But with 90% AD scaling, kalista loses more games past 40+ mins Ridiculous self peel/uncatchable? But slows affect her dashes ( yes, even ms slows)

It's just ridiculous when riot has no idea what they want Kalista to be

36 Comments

General MuricaSep 6, 201510 votes

( and useless in solo queue)

what

AltricadSep 6, 20152 votes

meant her ability to secure objectives Very rarely do teams group together and say " Hey guys, let's rush down baron because we have kalista to secure it!" Very rarely do steals happen as well

General MuricaSep 6, 20152 votes

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meant her ability to secure objectives Very rarely do teams group together and say " Hey guys, let's rush down baron because we have kalista to secure it!" Very rarely do steals happen as well

And this is why people dont take low elo's srs. @plat+ they do.

Hayaishi2Sep 6, 20155 votes

A champion with that overloaded kit can't be balanced, Kalista should be reworked, preferably after Riot is done gutting her.

A Miss FortuneSep 6, 20153 votes

Kind of sad that one of the more recent champions to the game is also one of the most broken in the game's history? Pretty sure there was never a champion with infinite dashes and infinite scaling damage all in just two abilities alone.

AltricadSep 6, 20152 votes

Ekko Yasuo Thresh Elise Riven ok

They should at least try to get rid of the unnecessary stuff imo. Personal bias isn't gonna help

LowvyrSep 6, 20154 votes

Late game, she can use Rend to do more damage than smite ever could. It makes it extremely difficult for an enemy to outsmite you, because you have Rend, the better smite.

AltricadSep 6, 20152 votes

^^ That's unnecessary power Exactly, she doesn't need it. I'd be happy to see it go and have her 100% ad scaling again

CaptnJakSparrowSep 6, 20153 votes

Honestly, Kalista is pretty underwhelming right now. IF her team is only subpar it's a 100% loss for her.

AltricadSep 6, 20151 votes

Yeah, more often than not, I find Jinx to be a much much better pick even in mid-game spikes while scaling much better towards late-game

xJLx MCHammerSep 6, 20153 votes

I find her annoying I don't understand why she can better control over dragon and baron because of her rend. I don't understand why she gets to hop around between auto attacks making non mobile champs and skill shot champs harder to play against her.

Nerf her rend, nerf her hops, and she will be healthier

KeevalroySep 6, 20152 votes

Nerf her rend, remove her hops, and League will be healthier

Ftfy

The Yetii RiderSep 7, 20153 votes

Kalista is the only marksman in the game that can proc Yasuo's Last Breath. So there's that. Before Kalista you couldn't have the 5 man knock up team unless you went Gnar ADC or something dumb like that.

Riot wants Yasuo to be a thing because his targeted gap close suppress is flashy and awesome.

Slamurai JackSep 7, 20151 votes

Actually not quite true. You can also ult off of Draven's E, Quinn's E, Tristana's ult, and Vayne's E.

The Yetii RiderSep 7, 20151 votes

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Actually not quite true. You can also ult off of Draven's E, Quinn's E, Tristana's ult, and Vayne's E.

None of those are knock ups though.

Slamurai JackSep 7, 20151 votes

Doesn't matter. Yasuo can ult off of any displacement and all of those abilities have a very small displacement attached to them that you can ult off of.

The Yetii RiderSep 7, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Slamurai Jack,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aYqHktEK,comment-id=000f000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-07T02:29:54.296+0000)

Doesn't matter. Yasuo can ult off of any displacement and all of those abilities have a very small displacement attached to them that you can ult off of.

Ugh. Those targets aren't 'Airborne'. Whatever.

PennsSep 6, 20152 votes

YOu could make kalista deal 1 damage with an auto-attack and she'd still be picked in the LCS

AltricadSep 6, 20151 votes

I just want my Kalista to be viable in solo queue mang, like I legit hate it when folks in lcs obsess over her and rito keeps nerfing her damage

PennsSep 6, 20153 votes

Shes still more than viable in soloq? ._.

CaptnJakSparrowSep 6, 20151 votes

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Shes still more than viable in soloq? ._.

not really. She doesn't fare very well vs tanks, and a very large chunk of her damage + utility is dependent on another person, and if the enemy team is even remotely fed it's gg for the kalista player atm.

PennsSep 6, 20153 votes

What? :o Kalista is one of, if not the strongest adc vs tanks especailly with blade, which you build pretty much every game lol.

CaptnJakSparrowSep 6, 20151 votes

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What? :o Kalista is one of, if not the strongest adc vs tanks especailly with blade, which you build pretty much every game lol.

Not really anymore.

item 3143 item 3110 + her range actually sucks, and the majority of the tanks now have ways to tell her to fuck off due to the new tank items. On top of that, she does 10% less than other adcs, and 20% less if she builds crit so around the 30 minute mark she's only 80% of an actual adc. Also, it is a lot easier to catch her now due to the nerf to her back step. Anyone with a single speed boost can catch her, or black cleaver, or triforce, or slow. It's not even difficult anymore. Hell, Vayne actually kites better than Kalista now.

AltricadSep 6, 20151 votes

She does build blade, but compared to either a Vayne or tristana with botrk, she deals much less damage You might say she has peel to make up for it, but her auto-attack windup was hit a few patches ago (66% attack speed scaling when hopping) basically hopping == fewer autos ( when compared to stadning still)

PennsSep 6, 20152 votes

Still, the weakness of tanks/ juggernauts is kiting them and Kalista is by far the best adc at doing that. Its not just about damage, if they cant reach her, which they probably wont, she kills them anyway. Vayne AT LEAST has a higher cooldown on her tumble than... her AA cooldown lol.

I dont think those armor changes did much to her... Shes not about doing damage with aas, she is about kiting back and using E on multiple targets. I dont actually play League that often anymore since all those changes tho so idk.

CaptnJakSparrowSep 6, 20151 votes

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Still, the weakness of tanks/ juggernauts is kiting them and Kalista is by far the best adc at doing that. Its not just about damage, if they cant reach her, which they probably wont, she kills them anyway. Vayne AT LEAST has a higher cooldown on her tumble than... her AA cooldown lol.

I dont think those armor changes did much to her... Shes not about doing damage with aas, she is about kiting back and using E on multiple targets. I dont actually play League that often anymore since all those changes tho so idk.

I can catch a Kalista with Darius anymore. That's how easy it is now lol.

Malix FarwinSep 6, 20152 votes

Personally i think Vayne is a bigger problem.

TurquoiseYoshiSep 6, 20152 votes

Riot just keeps nerfing random crap that doesn't matter. Kalista's E is just so good that it needs some nerf. A cap on stacks, a remove of the slow, a remove of the CD/mana refund on unit kills, etc etc etc.

KeevalroySep 6, 20152 votes

They're doing everything else EXCEPT putting a cap on rend and addressing how cancerous that hop is, which should have been done before she was released to the PBE.

TheDogIsOutSep 7, 20152 votes

{quoted} It's just ridiculous when riot has no idea what they want Kalista to be

Well she's so retardedly overloaded that they don't know at all what to change. (certainlyT champ; ok the joke is getting old) In my opinion, a champion that is rewarded with so much insane power and play potential/ control potential such as Thresh Kalista shouldn't even be viable. Like, no. You can't have all that and still have strong laning, decent midgame and lategame. Just nope. It's too much. or DEFINE WEAKNESSES. PLEASE.

Big LincolnSep 6, 20151 votes

I thought they wanted objective control to be her thing, which I'm fine with. utility/team-focused ADCs are too few in between

tbh her rend is only good at preventing smite steals if she's been hitting dragon/baron long enough, and even then it's not impossible if you force her away from dragon or otherwise prevent her from casting, or if you've been contesting it from the beginning rather than showing up at the last second

NekusenSep 6, 20151 votes

winrates mean nothing

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/JhqP3ygjHYA/hqdefault.jpg

Dr PoroSep 6, 20151 votes

Agreed. Kalista is a champ with a huge gap in power between LCS and soloQ. If they want to keep her from being pick or ban in LCS by simply nerfing her dmg, she'll become below 40% in soloQ (plat+). I think putting a cap on monsters would be a good way to keep her in check on competitive level.

Slamurai JackSep 7, 20151 votes

Kalista's objective control with rend is her main issue? I could've sworn that it was her jump after every single auto attack. TIL.

MiraweaveSep 7, 20151 votes

Objective control is kind of a fair thing for her to be good at. I get that it pisses some people off, but it's not like Cho'Gath and Nunu aren't also incredibly good at objective control for their respective roles.

The thing that makes Kalista bullshit is her passive. Just her passive. The rest of her kit is actually pretty interesting and would be totally fair if she didn't have that colossal fucking bullshit passive ability.