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Why does riot make kills so rewarding?

U R Good At Game··2 votes·684 views

low plat to bronze is winnable thru tdm and it's gross because it ignores so many core values of the game. It sucks that you only need to play objective in the top 10%. I get that the premise of kill gold is to reward you for being good and allowing a spike because of it but the spike is so big if your left to 1v1 that it's in all honesty unfair. Let me explain.

If I play mid vs someone I am clearly outplaying and I grab an early 2-0, that allows me to then hit 6 and one shot almost anyone on the map unless I really fuck up. That doesn't mean I am rewarded for being good. It means I am better than 1/5 people on that team.... A recent example that I actually fed in was vs a kat. Kat killed me and my jg dived her for the 2-0. That one play let her come back in lane q-e ult me for all my hp, run down bot with that like 40sec cd and do it again. 1 play = 3 kills. That wasn't skill at that point. That was reaching a power spike making your champ toxic amounts of unstable.

Overall, especially in early game I think kill gold/xp needs a major tune down. Your reward for killing the enemy champ should be more focused on the amount of free cs you get and cs you can deny. Not playing tdm for some asshole rediculous power spike. It's especially frustrating when I like playing tank/supp champs but most of them don't get one shot mechanics for being "good" while we have any mage/assassin/juggernaut winning the game over 1 misplay.

I do think kills should grant rewards but not so much that 1-2 kill advantage means that you have to afk under tower and can't even think about contesting drag/herald/baron. It defeats the purpose. Why focus those objectives when I can play tdm so you don't have an option to contest.

Riot's response to me on this was "call your teammates". We all know how hard this is in any elo tbh. Let's say your the teammate. You have a 80% chance of roaming and the power spike being already too big and giving him a double or simply being seen and losing 2+ waves. Doesn't work in low elo and barely works from what I've seen in plat when my brother plays. Not to mention a counter roam resulting in your laner killing you or you both and now 2 lanes are spiking.

29 Comments

Kai Guy3 votes

So some mobas also punish players on death, you lose gold or exp for death, League is kinda tame in this regard. Kills having value promotes players to go for kills which I think is good because it lowers boring cs farm lanes.

Ark Sorcerer1 votes

Which is exactly why Kat keeps roaming bot to pick up kills for herself and not actually help her bot lane, to skip the "boring cs farm lanes"

Kai Guy1 votes

Killing a lane is helping your lane, gold and exp loss with the lane being able to control wave location and cs with reduced pressure. remember Murder is the best form of CC... most the time.KogMaw Karthus

Ark Sorcerer1 votes

You forgot Sion.

Kai Guy1 votes

Not really, you can murder him again or just use less powerful cc like a stun, same reason I did not put down tibber or any revive passives. Koggles and karth are special in that their passives are instant, and only mobility helps...unless karth has R.

Ark Sorcerer1 votes

I see....

Kai Guy1 votes

Nah I'm just clowning you, I actually did forget about sion... [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Ark Sorcerer1 votes

I am hurt... Stares at my damp, dark, lonely wall, knife in hand.

Kai Guy1 votes

Sorry mate it was all in good fun / done slightly out of embarrassment. Here take a look at some of the worst cats ever to feel better about yourself. http://worstcats.tumblr.com/

Ark Sorcerer1 votes

Embarrassment? Why were you embarrassed?

Kai Guy1 votes

I forgot my boy Sion.

Frightning3 votes

The Katarina player was smart to proactively exploit her advantage to snowball her lead, and help her bot lane out too. Why shouldn't she get rewarded making a smart play like that?

Objective play matters at every elo, even if most people don't understand it's influence on their games. Heck I've turned many a game in lower elos around by simply soloing dragon and split pushing towers while my allies derped around the map skirmishing and doing nothing all that productive (because our opponents were more or less doing the same). If anything, I feel like it might help if new players were taught the significance of objectives in the tutorials (AI games don't teach it at all because the AI doesn't do anything other push lanes, and are so terrible at the game that anyone competent can win a game against them 1v5)

U R Good At Game1 votes

Smart play? To me there is a difference between a play and your 2 kills putting you so far ahead you 2shot the entire map.

Frightning1 votes

If she really 2-shot your bot lane, they were already chunked. More likely she had her ult back up by then, and got the dbl off that? Or was your bot just far from tower+didn't see her coming/react in time?

More to the point, she was very smart to decide that: "Hey I'm doing well here mid and just forced my lane opponent out and shoved in the lane, I should use this opportunity to gank a side lane and snowball my advantage while simultaneously shitting on another enemy lane (and thereby helping my allies). Oh look, bot is gankable." goes bot...ganks...gets double "Mission accomplished." This is a good macro play from the Katarina.

U R Good At Game1 votes

They were under tri-bush (not in front of tri-bush) and the adc had full hp, supp had ~70%. Neither of those is oneshot in a balanced game. What do you mean very smart? That's common sense on kat.... What kat doesn't roam? kat's roam when theyre 0-3... Your putting too much thought process into it to give off something that isnt there. People who play kat roam more than the average champ because it's kat. Your not gonna see viktors and shit roam as much as her. Again it helps when you take down 1 and 70% of a health bar with 3 buttons.

yoshi27901 votes

Why didn't you ask your jungler, pushed mid and got the midlane tower? if she roams, punish her.

U R Good At Game1 votes

Thats the classic theory. Yes if I were playing Duo or had a jg that gave a flying fuck about my lane then we woulda. In my experience you ask you jg to deviate from his path you get bmed for losing lane and told it's not his job due to all these youtuber cucklords making videos about the jg's job. Now everyone in plat V - looks at those videos and says it's not their fault they lost lane so fuck them ima farm. It is rare that when I asked for help in a losing matchup I get help. 9/10 it's bm to get "guud" even though I have a climbing win rate, you lose matchups, it happens. That would have definietly worked if I were DuoQ, but it didn't. He bmed about me losing and afk farmed. Commonplace in my elo.

I am Pacman1 votes

A recent example that I actually fed in was vs a kat.

lol, you say you were fed in that game. That implies at least 2 kills probably more. Why didn't you just go anywhere and one shot bot lane first?

U R Good At Game1 votes

I specifically said "I actually fed"..... and if you read the next sentence I tell you how she got 2-0 vs me when I died and my jg tried to dive for the kill. and that's what kat did. Went bot and 100 to 0 them off of 1 play. They were even ahead of their bot. Didn't matter cas kills > cs apparently.

meowwow71 votes

from what i've seen on that matched was that the kat was ahead of you in cs pretty well especially for the champ you were playing like seriously only 51 cs in 21 minutes as annie and how do you lose to kat as annie if she ulted you you could have just dropped the bear on her

U R Good At Game1 votes

Doesn't work if her pre-6 kill allows her q to do 25% of ur hp cas apparently 1 kill is gg. Reminds me when I play renekton top last season. Give me one kill and your feeding. Didn't matter who I fought. Whether it was garen, illaoi, kled, gp, rumble, liss, ekko, anyone. You give me the first lane kill and your feeding. It's done. Now your team may carry you if I fuck up but you....your going 0-8.

MagicFlyingLlama1 votes

Kills dont win games, in fact i see tons of games thrown utterly because people are too greedy for kills and chase across the map instead of clearing lanes, depending, getting objectives...

A kill is worth one minion wave. Think about that for a minute. If you miss a minion wave to get it, all you benefit from is their respawn time. If you miss four waves and loose two turrets to kill singed, you probably just lost the game.

U R Good At Game1 votes

It's actually not? FB is like 500g? and average kills are 300g? 6 minions per wave so your telling me each minion drops 50g? You would need an entire wave of cannon minions for that logic to work dude. 3 casters + 3 melee is ~110 gold. So THREE WAVES. Now lets take into account that that one kills ALSO let's you double dip and get 2 more free waves if not more depending on timer. So you get FIVE total waves. If thats first blood that's ~ 720 gold advantage from basically just that kill. Every other kill is still 520 gold lead. So when kat killed me and lee cas he dived he got 1120 gold advantage..... 1st back..... that's a bit too much. You don't need to double dip the minion wave. Get your kill xp and your reward is free minions.

GankedByWindows1 votes

Because kills generally mean you outplayed your opponent. If you're able to consistently outplay your opponent and get fed, you should win the game. If they make kills worth less, you could see people being 3-4 kills ahead and still not having a big advantage which is kind of ridiculous.

U R Good At Game1 votes

That's my point. So if I am better than there mid then I deserve to win vs their entire team? that doesn't make sense to me. How does me kicking top lanes teeth in prove my skill vs any other player? The advantage is the 300g in minions you get for free and tower dmg.

GankedByWindows1 votes

You deserve to have an advantage over everyone else yes. It is a team game, teams live and die by everyone. If the enemy lanes are good, they'll be as fed as you and can fight you, or they can stall and play team fights better. It isn't like it is an automatic loss for them. How dumb would the game be if no matter how fed you got you don't have a significant advantage over everyone?

U R Good At Game1 votes

How dumb is it that I have to beat 1 person to 2 shot top lane when he can be better than me? You can diamond but if I point if you cant hit me without me 2 shotting you then your dying... "team" game vs SOLOqueue is the issue.. Team game theory works in flex and competition. You tell someone to freeze or play safe in SoloQ and they int....

I don't understand that logic. If the enemy is good they will be fed? lol the amount of scenarios that disprove that are rediculous so I'll just name 3.

  1. Vs. a early game champ as late game

  2. playing Tank champions

  3. Any support role/champ

All 3 of those are situations where good doesn't equal fed. Why do you think everyone and their mom plays shit like yas, kat, annie? Why play tankier or utility picks when you can play tdm and snowball because your better than 1/5 people.... devalues LoL in SoloQ. It's not rewarding to play a tank and make an awesome play because at the end of the day you need a correct follow up. same with support. So why play LoL when you pick annie and play tdm.

GankedByWindows1 votes

If you're consistently better than your competition, you should be rewarded with a lead that allows you to significantly impact the game. league already has severely neutered advantages from kills compared to other MOBAs. You don't lose gold on death, you can't be denied experience (not directly anyway), and the EXP range even when getting zoned is huge. If you lower it more, then individual skill matters less and less.

U R Good At Game1 votes

Technically that's incorrect. The less the game gives you, the less you have to work with aka more skill.

What is more impressive: A kat going 22-1 because of items and XP or a kat going 22-1 with no kill gold? I would say the second kat has more skill because she achieved the same result with less "guard rails".

Kill gold and xp are just tools. The less tools you have the harder it is aka the more skillful you need to be. There is a fundamental difference between skill and 2 shotting someone because you have ludens early. 2 shotting me takes far less skill than outplaying me. That last sentence isn't debatable.

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