Make Practice Tool Co-op Pls

U R Good At Game·Mar 21, 2017·85 votes·3,397 views

( where I said "outsmarting" I meant out SMITE and my IOS client won't let me edit that far down on my phone).

It would be so nice to be able to run practice tool with your buddy on the enemy team so you can practice PvP situations. I assumed it was gonna come with the tool because of how good it would be but either mine is bugged or it didn't. For example, practicing skill shots over walls on moving opponents, blind predictions, outplay scenarios when you get caught, outsmarting drags/barons, etc. there's so much that you can do with a co-op that will let you improve that it should have been base line with the tool.

25 Comments

SukishooMar 21, 20178 votes

It was only shipped with the Basics.... pretty sure they are open to adding plenty of other things down the line.

U R Good At GameMar 21, 20171 votes

Oh good! Yes then I hope this comes in a Future patch.

maikokkMar 22, 20173 votes

wont people just use it to play urf lol?

Supreme Senpai69Mar 22, 20173 votes

Is that a bad thing? :p

UKP LKMar 21, 20174 votes

ye add 2 players :( the dummy doesnt moveee !!! I need a moving target !

TheMinezMar 21, 20176 votes

Immobile dummies, bronze level dodging dummies, ~plat level dodging dummies, and perfect dodge (Like a scripter would) dummies?

ElikainMar 21, 20172 votes

Eh, i don't think that's happening. Simply put, Practice Mode was not envisioned as a Co-op environment. Riot wanted to specifically avoid practicing with friends, rather let you practice your own skills. The point is to play the game with other people, not spend hours and hours in the Practice Tool, trying to perfect a combo against a human opponent.

I agree that we should have more tools (some AI options at allowing training dummies to use their champions' skills / pick champions as training dummies) but not at the point for everything to be replaceable by a human player(or worse, people asking for it to be turned into an URF mode).

DarkHeadgearMar 22, 20171 votes

I agree with this but I do believe having the practice tool in a Co-op environment would drastically increase effectiveness of players, specifically the pros. 5 Man team using practice tool would yield disgustingly effective results.

U R Good At GameApr 4, 20171 votes

That doesn't make sense. You can't practice in norms these days because its a troll fiesta so ur only option is to lose elo to improve? that's ridiculous. Their are things you cannot practice against an ai.

Being a support, DuoQ, predicting, jungle/blind skill shots, stealing dragon, stealing baron, invading, counter jungling, ganking, roaming, counter roaming, etc.

Those are vital skills that can only be practice in a ranked environment cas norms is troll. Who cares if people use it to goof around ffs. I would rather them play urf in practice then in my games......... I should be able to practice without breaking the terms of use and modding the practice tool for LAN use, (not denying or confirming this, it's just a possibility chill riot don't harm me) just to play with a friend to improve.

ElikainApr 4, 20171 votes

No, you won't be allowed to invite a friend to "practice" with him. Rito wanted to avoid doing that because they don't want people to spend hours and hours trying to perfect their combos against human players. That's not the point of the practice tool. The experience to play against human players comes from playing against human players in the appropriate environment (Normals/Ranked/ARAM/TT). Whatever suits your fancy, just not a practice game where you can ignore all the game parameters and death.

It's for practicing your own set of basic skills, not a tool for practicing 1v1s or team scrims. I am repeating myself but that's the gist of it. The skills you're mentioning are compound skills that consist of wall flashes/dashes and then smiting at a crucial moment. Stealing an objective is not something you can practice even in a 1v1 environment because it's not an accurate representation of teamfights.

Who cares if people use it to goof around ffs.

Riot cares because that was not the intention behind giving us the practice tool. It's not supposed to be your usual game play experience replacement or a a replacement for a few "goofy" games with your friend(s).

U R Good At GameApr 4, 20171 votes

Ah so riot want's to feign the appearance of caring if we improve by releasing a pretty useless tool and saying that if we want to really improve we need to lose elo in ranked first. This tool only helps rudimentary concepts that you should have learned in the tutorial and dps tests.

So I should troll in ranked/norms if I want to goof off? okay. Noted. Not like I'll get punished because you actually need to troll on a daily basis to get hurt.

Yeah ima just mod the tool and use LAN. Ban me riot, I have 2 accounts on separate IP's. Bite me. Ban me for actually trying to improve so I can see your true colors. Make it obvious.

ElikainApr 4, 20171 votes

You're literally hiding behind the very broad definition of what "practice games" mean. Riot specifically stated what they want the tool to be used for and that they have no intention of making it a co-op mode.

The last thing they want is for pros to use it for scrims or practicing with their teammates, instead of actually playing SQ/Flex Queue to prepare for the tournaments. That's only one of the possibilities if they do what you want. They don't want to support this kind of practice tool misuse.

So I should troll in ranked/norms if I want to goof off? okay. Noted.

Ah, so these are your true colors. You want to troll but you don't have an environment where you can vent so you want Riot to provide you with your own playground, where you can send invites to people and avoid playing actual games. You can play Custom games if you want to goof around with friends because the practice tool already enables you to do what you want, albeit in an isolated environment.

If you want to troll Normals, fine by me. Riot will extend the same courtesy to you. You're going to get removed if you do, both of your accounts. It's your choice if you wish to make more but it's not Riot's fault you want to embark on the journey of negative behavior to make your League experience fun. Having fun at the expense of other people is not OK and you'll learn that the hard way.

U R Good At GameApr 4, 20171 votes

Co-op != Team mode. You can practice any mechanics except for team fights with a single other player and a bot.

I also think you missed custom games? The mechanic for pro's to practice out of SoloQ already exists and happens. Do you know how hard it is to find 5v5 In challenger? And what about lcs teams that have gold/plat players on em? So ur explanation is already flawed. It already happens and for good reason. Not to mention I said Co-Op not multiplayer. 2 different things. Co-op = 2 players unless specificed as 3 co-op, etc.

I don't want to troll. That's the logic ur using. I shouldn't troll by myself so logically I should troll with others. Can't have both.

Riot won't remove me and won't be able to link my accounts to each other. It took riot years to get rid of a trolling clan that when you saw there name you knew gg. It's as simple as a name ban at that point. They can't go that but they can find my VPN accounts and prove their mine? okay...

ElikainApr 4, 20171 votes

Custom games were meant as a player VS player environment. Practice Tool isn't meant for that purpose. By no means am i saying that this is the extent of the Practice Tool we are ever going to get, it's pretty much the most basic thing Riot could've done when they still have a lot of work to do with the new client. I'm sure they'll add more stuff to it, just not the ability for other players to connect to your practice game.

There are probably solutions that involve simple waypointing bots that use abilities, giving them simple commands that can solve a lot of practice issues, coming from the lack of interactions from the champions themselves. These solutions are a set of unique challenges Riot will have to figure out how to implement, if they ever decide to in the future.

Riot won't remove me and won't be able to link my accounts to each other.

I think you're underestimating what Riot knows about you. You're playing their game and they know from which computers you play. Each computer has it's own identification that's gotten from the unique IDs of its components. Essentially, if they ban the access of your components, you have to physically replace them with new ones to play the game again. You can hide behind VPNs but your computer's ID is unique and doesn't change, like your own fingerprints that uniquely identify you as a person.

It doesn't matter if your VPN has the IP address of a specific planet in the Andromeda Galaxy, it still says that your ID is playing the game from a different location.

This isn't meant to scare you in any way. It's just a confirmation that Riot isn't dumb. If Blizzard can go as far to crack down on trolls and cheaters to such a degree, what makes you think Riot isn't capable of it? But for the moment, Riot isn't going that far to hunt down people who wrong their playerbase. Their lax attitude isn't something anyone should take for granted.

U R Good At GameApr 4, 20171 votes

Giving them commands doesn't do anything lol. If I knew what my opponent was going to do before he did I would be challenjour. Only another player can prepare you for PvP so again, riot would rather me lose games for my team than practice. I get it. Youve made that clear. Instead of practicing a champ/build I should hope my team can carry me while I figure it out. This is what norms are for but due to this community it doesn't work lol. No one tries, they're half asleep, out of meta, build is off meta, etc. That's not practice.

I have 2 pcs, a laptop and a modded xbox that can serve as a gaming pc so I mean they can try? If they ban every account that's ever been on this PC their gonna have a legal mess because that's about 100 accounts give or take. Used my PC as a volunteer in a few tournaments a couple of times now. So if they wanna do that they're fucked. I win either way. Legal reports get all their accounts back or they willingly give them back and I hide my other accounts in the ones that are from the tournaments. ez pz.

Because Blizzard has historically had the better support team??? Their response time is same day in most scenarios and with real humans while riot takes ~4 days just to hit you with a copy paste response. Try it. Make a ticket in the same category with different situations and you will get the same response. Copy pasters from india vs a real support team....I wonder. Riot couldn't care less if their support helps because they know you won't quit. It's psychology. The competitive nature, time investment and $$$ hole that we dig ourselves tells us that we need to stay. We say things "like I can't quit I put $XXX into this rp, I can't quit i've spent X years playing, I can't quit I can climb". They use basic psychology to keep us here and give us a bare bones version of support and outreach because they know we won't do shit about it. We know this but still do it. Hooked.

At the end of the day, it's riot being petty. That's not debatable. They want it used how they want it used. It doesn't matter what is better for the game. They even found a loophole to ban off-meta picks by saying it's against teamwork. They do what they want and disregard those who aren't lcs. They provided this tool to feign care. That is what it is. If they really cared if we could practice they would let us Duo so I didn't have to first time malphite or some shit in ranked. If they cared if we practiced they would crack down on norms so we could actually practice in norms. I can win 20/20 norms but it doesn't matter because ranked isnt norms so then you get smacked and have to start learning all over.

That practice tool is worthless. You can practice cs...... YAY I DEFINITELY COULDN'T DO THAT IN CUSTOM. Or you can school a bot.... YAY I COULDN'T DO THAT BEFORE. Everything you can do in practice you can do in AI but faster in practice.... Even then CO-OP vs AI provides more practice. I was so excited when I saw it and now it's a total let down. It's 2 features are CS and Kill AI. #Helpful

ElikainApr 4, 20171 votes

At the end of the day, it's riot being petty. That's not debatable. They want it used how they want it used. It doesn't matter what is better for the game.

No, that's just you thinking your opinion is right. Practice Tool being made into a player VS player environment was never Riot's intention. And they have explicitly said so. It was not going to be a sandbox mode. And the first iteration of it is pretty basic. It works well if you want to test builds and damage of skills, combos and practicing CS, flashing and dashing over walls, practicing jungle paths and a lot more basic shit people asked for. It's a pretty useful feature, not having to actually play a real game (even if it's custom) to learn that.

What you want out of the tool is having to practice combos against real players, which is the point of getting that experience from a real environment (actual games against players). You learn the combo execution on the dummy and then you use that knowledge in a real game to deepen your understanding of the champion and increase your mastery. Riot delivered exactly what they promised and what we asked for. What you wanted out of the Practice Tool does not mean that it's better for the game, as a whole. You're not speaking for every player out there. Only for yourself.

U R Good At GameApr 13, 20171 votes

Not just my opinion clearly (looks at upvotes compared to every other thread and the poll). Everytime someone comments something like this it has mass support and 1-2 people are rioters in disguise tryna explain why they have a shit mechanic.

You keep proving what I said. They didn't intend for it so it isn't going to be. That's exactly what I said they were doing so ty. Their intention is more important than the pb to them. That's cool. Practicing CS was made slightly less of a hassle, flashing/dashing is a thing you need to practice?, jungle pathing takes maybe 2 custome games....., who cares how much damage you do if you can't get to that point fast enough because you didn't have actual practice... that damage is irrelevant and they already have MULTIPLE calculators that do it for you vs other champions and let's you customize both builds. That's more useful than dmging a bot..... and it's third party....how are you not speaking for yourself? none of your shit has any support on it what so ever as well as you being the only one with your opinion. Hypocrites man. Killer.

Your still not answering my question. So to you and riot I need to test out my champs at the cost of other's elo because of the state of norms? That's the overarching issue lol. You think I would be asking for a better tool if norms were worth the code they're written on?

If by god's grace you get a meta team vs a meta team their is a high af chance they are either new at the champ, new at the game, half asleep, not giving af, goofing around with friends. So what does that mean? You develop gameplay and bad habits fighting trolls just to get your ass rocked in ranked by someone who has been spamming ranked games to learn their champ with ~100+ ranked games on it. 10/10 worth. Norms couldn't reflect ranked worse if it were URF. People try more in URF than in norms. So no, you are incorrect. That is not how you practice. That is how you develop habits that fuck your games until you can break them.

This isn't street fighter. learning a league combo takes all of 10 seconds. Still worthless if you can't hit them because dummies and norms bot taught you nothing....

420 gramsMar 21, 20171 votes

It'd be nice to test specific champion/ability interactions

Athenes LuluMar 21, 20171 votes

It's perfect for testing if some spells work in a certain way, or is working as intended.

For example, the Lulu polymorph bug that apparently stops Sion ult for some reason.....

jasonkikMar 21, 20171 votes

This is a great idea! Not only do I want to practice with an actual person, but it'd be fun to have some 1v1s with some dumb builds (that probably shouldn't be used in ranked)

I just want to try Full A.S Fizz against my friend's full AP Sion build :)

Fizz item 3046

Sion item 3089

58697132DEL1Mar 22, 20171 votes

You also need player allies to practice certain things that the practice tool was wanted for IE duoing with a Kalista (as she relies heavily on her support) or trying out a comp (Seriously guys, Morgana and Lux. It's amazing)

Riot has indeed mentioned the overwhelming support on this though, i'd bet an ultimate skin that we see it at max 1 year after replacing legacy client. (Way more people were vocal about things like item sets and skin tabs so they will probably focus that first.)