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@Riot, I know the RNG based passive seemed a bit stupid but the new one's just so...bland.

Malicious Metal··12 votes·1,144 views

Now, you can grab your pitchforks later but I for once liked the new Shyvana passive. It made every game unique, gave her more incentive to secure Drakes and was overall really cool and thematically fitting.

The new one's just some bland stat increase. The RNG based one had the problem of, well, being random but it was really interesting.

What was bad about it was that its entire power relied on getting dragons.

Take Mordekaiser for example, he gets rewarded for dragons but he doesn't NEED them to get the full use of his kit.

I feel Shyvana would really benefit from something interactive that cements her niche as a power farmer and Jungle-Lurking Juggernaut Dragon lady. The increased Reward from Elemental Drakes could be kept in some form IF her passive also provided certain bonuses from killing other camps.

I don't main Shyvana, but I really think her passive could be so much better than simply a bit more tankiness.

21 Comments

Big Lincoln5 votes

old passive works; new ones are just "i win more" mechanics by riot's own admission. it's artificial complexity and it has no real place in the game imo. she has strong power-farming in her kit already, she doesn't need a whole new passive to make her even better at it.

thematically fitting.

no it isn't. If anything, it'd have made more sense for Rengar to have it, given he's supposed to be the big-game hunter.

The Blue Rajah1 votes

It's thematically fitting because her entire lore is centered around how dragons have hated and prosecuted her her whole life for being a halfbreed, and the highest impact moment in her lore is killing the dragon that murdered her father. It is thematic. As for rengar, it'd be an okay fit, but his current passive fits his own thematic far better than a dragon-hunter one would.

Slythion2 votes

wait, sorry. The new pbe passive is her getting certain buffs for taking certain drags right? I kinda like it...

  • it rewards her for dominating the jungle so it fits her playstyle
  • it fits thematically, something that I'm a sucker for
  • it's still fairly simple (not like her current resistance bonus one but still) which is something I think is important to keep in the game. Simplicity
  • I just think it's a step up from her resistance bonus
LostFr0st4 votes

They switched it to a more bland one:

"Shyvana deals 10% more damage to dragons. Shyvana gains 5 Armor and Magic Resistance. Elemental drakes defeated by Shyvana or her allies grant her an additional 5 Armor and Magic Resistance. Total bonus Armor and Magic Resistance: X"

Slythion3 votes

oh ew...what happened to the bonus buffs from each individual dragon? that was actually a pretty cool idea

LostFr0st2 votes

Have no idea. If they don't know what to do they should just leave the passive alone and ship the other stuff. This new armor/mr passive is worse than her old one if she doesn't get any Drakes.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

{quoted}

They switched it to a more bland one:

"Shyvana deals 10% more damage to dragons. Shyvana gains 5 Armor and Magic Resistance. Elemental drakes defeated by Shyvana or her allies grant her an additional 5 Armor and Magic Resistance. Total bonus Armor and Magic Resistance: X"

The hell.

That's dumb. the other bonuses sounded sweet! Wtf happened to those?

LostFr0st1 votes

There was too much rnjesus in them and it felt bad if Shyv was behind or her team didn't prioritize drake.

We found out it'll also stack with elder drakes (the 5armor/mr) so it won't be that bad. All of her other kit changes are a net buff though so she'll at least be in a better place. (No more uninterruptible ult yay^^)

Lord Desert2 votes

Im a bit concerned about riots new passiv stance :/ normaly passivs are essential for the kit, or just an addition, but they always provided something. But now Irelias, Rengars and now Shyvs passiv can be completly useless. I dont think that that is a good thing!

I would rather have them some form of passiv/unchangeable effect and then the interactive/changing part. Irelia had always 10% CCreduc, now she can get nothing, Rengar needs to kill something or else he doesnt get anything, same with shyvs new passiv. But her passiv on top is based on Rng so only meh again.

I would changed that too: Shyv gets flat Ar&Mr scaling ether per level or per Ult rank in dragon form(dragons and their scales grow) And if she takes dragons she gets a tiny bit from everything (cdr,truedmg,dmgreduc vs monsters, slowresist) but gets double the amount depending on the typ of drake taken!

But hold your horses, i would weaken the buffs from the drakes! Or change some completly. So her interaction with the drakes is basicly the cherry on top and not the hole cake you know :P

LostFr0st1 votes

They pulled the rng drake one and put in a 10% damage to only drakes buff and a per-dragon 5armor/mr buff.

Lord Desert1 votes

is that a good preditction or not xDDD well we got a flat/unchaning passiv (dmg vs drakes) and then increases per dragon but not per typ of dragon :D So close xD But i still think she needs a bit more on the unchanging part, it feels rather weak.

LostFr0st1 votes

yeah, we just got some context on another thread. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/rREex5ln-shyvana-passive-change-on-pbe?comment=000500000000000200000000

Lord Desert1 votes

i checked on surrender at 20 after you told me that they changed it

Gusdel2 votes

Objective based passives suck. You get what 3 dragons on average when it goes well. So 20 AR/MR at 30 mins+. My the time it kicks in it is useless. You need 7 dragons by 16 to equal the old passive In dragon form. Or 3 to equal in normal form. Yeah idk this will go live and nerf her.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

I feel Shyvana would really benefit from something interactive that cements her niche as a power farmer and Jungle-Lurking Juggernaut Dragon lady.

You mean like getting Dragons?

Gusdel1 votes

Or take them or fall behind current live power. She will be weaker early where she needs help for no late game gain. This passive is kinda mute. She needs a early game passive.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

{quoted}

Or take them or fall behind current live power. She will be weaker early where she needs help for no late game gain. This passive is kinda mute. She needs a early game passive.

So the issue is more "it's not what you want" as opposed to "it doesn't fit her niche and identity" Gotcha.

Gusdel1 votes

So her identity according to you and now riot is to be the highlander. There can be only be one dragon and every dragon she kill she becomes stronger. So playing shy now is like a new highlander with dragons. She is part dragon and since riot hasn't said much about them in leagues universe i don't know much about what would help her identity. But going highlander isn't a good method when a early game passive would help her now since they made so many jungle changes. She is the weakest early and now has nothing to farm to get past it.

LostFr0st1 votes

They are also tying some of that damage amp to smite (since it gets the 10% bonus too) That 10% extra is only towards Drakes right? It's not like she had a hard time taking Drakes out before so it makes no sense.

theArtifacts1 votes

It would be neat if she had a passive simply based on how much of the enemy jungle camps she stole. Similar to Rengar trophies but with enemy jungle camps, only not marked by anything so not quite like kindred. This with a bonus on Harold / Drag.

Captain Aishi1 votes

I wish they wouldn't focus the changes towards giving her more jungle power considering i've always preferred her as a toplaner... it's much more fun to play her smacking other champions in the face than it is doing PVE while hoping your lanes don't lose before you reach level 6 :(

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