Katarina vs Ahri

Paper1·Oct 8, 2014·1 votes·1,210 views

I just came out of a game (http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1733750260/32241693) where I am just baffled how Ahri failed to 1v1 Katarina. I could see the Ahri was having trouble in the match, since lee sin had already ganked her lane several times, and she showed her frustration in chat. I said to her that all she needs to do is E straight after she uses her's and use Q to poke, staying far enough back when on cooldown. If that fails, she can still use her ultimate to disengage. After I said that, she still died 3 times in a 1v1 scenario. I talked to her more after the game where she claimed that she couldn't E fast enough to stop the damage, to which I could only respond that she should use E faster. However, it occured to me that Katarina can deal more damage than I could expect, so I was wondering if anyone could tell me if it is unrealistic of me to expect that Ahri to E after Katarina has commited, before Katarina gets the kill? What reaction time would be required for Ahri to successfully disengage?

10 Comments

DarthSpectrumOct 8, 20141 votes

Her charm does have a travel time.

I personally do not own Ahri, but I do Yasuo. His windwall disables Kat's ult in a similar manner, and I can attest that it IS entirely possible to prevent the majority of Kat's dmg if I react quick enough. (Side Note, Yasuo has one of the lowest base MR in the game.)

Perhaps she lost because she did not have smart cast on, or were at a level disadvantage.

Another possible factor was that even if the Ahri manages to interrupt Kat's ult, Kat can still put out better bursts than her; especially since Kat is also ahead.

Paper1Oct 8, 20141 votes

I appreciate the response. I am not entirely sure of the effect the travel time of charm will have, even if Katarina is a point blank range. Perhaps someone else knows. I think one of the reasons why she lost was because of your last sentence. I'm not sure of the playstyle of the Ahri either, since I was looking a lot at my own lane (looking at the map is something i forget to do often) but I would not be surprised if she was going for the counter kill rather than the disengage. She mentioned something in chat that she had a rather large health advantage before she engaged, so thats something that could be taken into account too.

52426480_DELOct 9, 20141 votes

As a Kat main, I routinely beat down Ahri. You just bait out her E or harass till she's about half down and then just ult on her. Their reaction time has to be lightning quick and even then you can usually finish her off.

Lower elo though so I would expect Plat/Diamond to be more competitive in this matchup.

Paper1Oct 9, 20141 votes

Thanks for the reply. I'm not sure if it should be possible to bait out her E assuming both players make good decisions. I feel Katarina doesn't have the pressure in the rest of her kit to force out a charm. Let me explain my thought process (in a 1v1, assuming the lane is even): Katarina should never use her E on Ahri unless shes going for a kill with her ultimate, since Ahri should within reasonable time E her back (See DarthSpectrum's response) and use W/Q for extra damage and win the trade. Therefore, Katarina should aim to get Ahri as low as possible by poking Ahri down without using her E or R. With Q and W alone, I think that Katarina should not be able to do this since W requires Ahri to be in a small range around Katarina, but since Ahri can poke with Q, there's no reason that she should be within range. Like some people have already pointed out however, Katarina was snowballed, so I guess some or all of what I said may not apply here.

DoogmiOct 9, 20141 votes

To me she just got outplayed.landing her charm on a kat that will e behind you and ult isn't difficult. Ahri has all the tools to beat kat with cc and mobility ultimate. And scales significantly better than she does. Post rework all kats damage is in her r, and good kat players make plays to ensure her ult goes off. Ahri can always disengage with her ult if she misses her charm, and then re-engage when kats ult is on CD. There is also taking into consideration kat was probably snowballing at that point and generally speaking once an assassin begins to snowball, you get rekt.

Paper1Oct 9, 20141 votes

Thanks for the response. I should maybe point out that Ahri chose to go Abyssal and Athene's. That's quite a bit of magic resist, but then again Katarina's items may already be enough to counteract that itemization.

FebruAhriOct 24, 20141 votes

kata bought mejai's and dfg. I don't know how many stacks she had, but you did say she was fed, and just the burst from QEW should bring ahri dangerously low for an ignite to kill her

Paper1Oct 27, 20141 votes

She bought the mejai's at 18:48. The game ended at 22:50...

The period of the game I am referring to is before 14 mins, and for the first ten minutes she didn't have dfg completed. That game was a while ago so I cant remember exactly, but I am definitely sure there were opportunities for Ahri to escape.

Sailor MintOct 27, 20141 votes

She bought the mejai's at 18:48. The game ended at 22:50...

The period of the game I am referring to is before 14 mins, and for the first ten minutes she didn't have dfg completed. That game was a while ago so I cant remember exactly, but I am definitely sure there were opportunities for Ahri to escape.

I'd rather lane against Syndra or Fizz than against Katarina. Charm's hitbox at point blank range is really iffy.

It's a super easy lane on paper, extremely frustrating in practice.

Paper1Oct 27, 20141 votes

I wish it were that easy to choose who to face. Unfortunately in a game where everyone is trying to out pick each other, its impossible.

Recently about the hitbox's in general, sometimes i think my Janna tornadoes dont register as hitting. The animation goes right over the champion I want to hit and then it doesnt...