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My response to "Rewards for positive play"

Paper1·11/14/2014, 1:04:01 AM·2 votes·2,049 views

I posted a response to lytes thread, but since new replies are coming in every second, I thought I'd start a new discussion. If you click on my name you can find the response. I am on my iPad right now so I can't put a link here right now. Edit: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/l3wHwtIl-rewards-for-positive-play

Anyway, the TL DR is that I got chat restricted a week before the season ended, completely justified. I explain that I don't think I should lose out on rewards for what I believe to be a two month long streak of bad behaviour, even though for three years I have never been punished and I have had games where I try to encourage others to keep going in bad times.

I hope you can read it and see where I am coming from. thanks.

Edit: I thought I would mention to anyone who is browsing this for the first time, that I strongly recommend reading some of the responses to this post. There is significant more detail in some of those responses that provide a better picture than the one I first provided. Thanks for everyone who has taken the time to provide some of their thoughts.

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Mecha MaIphite11/14/2014, 2:06:58 AM2 votes

Good people can deal with having bad games without raging, even if it just means muting everybody and never saying a word the entire game.

Judging by how you're reacting to everyone here, you are not one of those people. I can't say I'm one of those people (because I'm not) but that doesn't change the fact that you do not deserve the reward, because you are an average person like the rest of us.

Paper111/14/2014, 1:35:28 AM1 votes

Ok, well turns out people just downvote instead. That's fine, just pick on the guy who doesn't have the popular viewpoint, and dismiss it as being a rant with no backbone. Anyone who read it by the way would know that it does. I feel pretty shit right now. Thanks

Jubbinaut11/14/2014, 5:12:21 PM1 votes

So, I was having a discussion with a friend of mine about this exact kind of idea yesterday, while Lyte was still active in that thread. We were discussing, among other things, the idea of applying larger and more meaningful sportsmanship rewards (a skin, ward skin, or summoner icon, perhaps) not unlike the way these IP boosts were issued - via a Seasonal reward, based on overall standing throughout the season.

I find this interesting, because we came to basically the exact opposite conclusion that you have, OP. In essence, we concluded that players who demonstrated consistent negativity of any sort shouldn't receive rewards. And of course, one of the surest ways to examine which players demonstrated consistent negativity is to look at whether they'd been banned or restricted.

To speak to your specific situation, think on this: If the requirement for the IP boost is "avoid receiving any form of behavioral sanction for all 11 months of the regular Season," and you received your chat restriction after 9 months, then there's nothing to argue about.

You might argue that the requirements are unfair, but that's a hard argument to make, considering that 95% of players didn't receive any form of sanction this season, and so fulfilled those requirements.

And I sympathize. But... 2 things: This really isn't that big a deal, and if it becomes a bigger deal, then you'll have another chance next season.

Eleshakai11/14/2014, 8:13:23 PM1 votes

The number of chat restrictions you receive has nothing to do with the number of games you've impacted negatively.
Nobody's saying you've been consistently negative over your entire time here. What we're claiming is that you were consistently negative for a large enough period of time to get punished(and it doesn't take THAT long if you're consistently negative) and that because you were punished during this season, you do not deserve to be eligible for this season's 'clean record' rewards. That's all. We're not calling you a horrible person, we're not claiming you're constantly going around ruining everyone's games... just that you were negative enough during this season to get punished and that is enough to make you ineligible.
The 95% statistic seems perfectly legitimate to me, and I see no reason for them to lie. But I suppose there's no way for us to be sure, so you can be cynical if you'd like.
I'm going to repeat what I said: There is literally no use calling someone's mistakes out. I'd lay 99% odds that person KNOWS they screwed up. They don't need you rubbing it in to them. All you're doing is making them upset and if someone is pissed off at you do you REALLY think they'll take your advice seriously? Let's take this a bit further... so you've got a person who is already upset at themself for screwing up - trust me... ANYONE who goes 0/3 knows something's going wrong - and then you're having the gall to tell them you know better then them. Basically you're just giving them an outlet for that frustration. I'm not going to claim it's RIGHT that they get angry at you, because it's not - but it IS logical. And, as such, in the best interest of winning the game... the best thing for you to do is NOT give them that outlet. Focus on the game. Try to make broad strategic calls to win it(things like 'okay guys, we need to play safe' or 'let's get vision control of x and bait it' - never anything directed to a specific person), if you're in a position to do so make a big roam and help them... or get a different lane going, or just win your lane hard enough that you can carry them. There are things you can do that don't involve calling them on their mistakes, throwing them even further off their game, and possibly embroiling your ENTIRE TEAM in an argument.
This is just a personal piece of advice, but it has helped me to tone down my attitude a lot and improve the way I look at things. I stopped looking at winning as a goal. Winning is the result of my goal. My goal is to become a better player. As this happens, I will win more games. By focusing on becoming a better player, other players' performance becomes less important to me which means I criticize them less. Losing is no longer a big deal because I can still accomplish my goal even in a game I lose - that is to improve as a player. It also allows me to be more honest with myself and it allows me to apologize for my own mistakes more. Take the advice or leave it, but it's made a huge difference for me personally, maybe it can help you too.