Ignoring my plea's for help

Paper1·Oct 29, 2014·2 votes·527 views

You delete my calls for help, and instead persuade me with a notification to post in a different board so you can ignore me some more. I keep getting negative downvotes because I am not allowed to share my feelings about a game that I care so much about. I am really frustrated and stressed. All I want is a response that means something. If you turn out to help, then find my previous thread about the Mmr system. Thanks for deleting my stuff and making me feel more like shit.

16 Comments

Sir ArmaMalumOct 29, 20146 votes

Honestly, from how I've read your previous thread you're not looking for help at all, you're looking to vent. People gave advice you didn't agree with and you didn't get a Red reply so you proceed to throw a forum equivalent of a temper tantrum by finding any Red you can and shove your specific problem in their face. You're not to garner any sympathy that way, and in fact you are hurting any point you're trying to make with that kind of outburst.

My best advice: stop whining. I know that sounds harsh, and I'm seriously not trying to be rude, but that's the reason you're not getting a lot of responses and getting downvotes. People vent about MMR and matchmaking all the time, and not because 'the system is broken' but because they lost a team game due to a teammate's performance. Yes, it sucks, but we've all had to deal with it to varying degrees so posts like your previous one fall on deaf ears a majority of the time. I can offer sympathy but not much else, as you are a higher rank than me. And in fact, that's where a majority of players are as well.

Paper1Oct 29, 20142 votes

NO. people gave advice that doesn't work. If you read my previous thread, you should know that the guy who tried to help gave some advice. I used that the next day and nothing improved. People are too quick to judge me because all they see in my post is whinge whinge whinge. If you read it closer, I made some good points in there, without cursing. What do you want me to do? say "oh please good sirs, but i think the game has been rather unfair because of this, this and this"? No of course not. I feel that i'm being ripped off because of the mmr system, im going to feel pissed off. If I was all polite, people wouldn't listen to me anyway. I've tried, In the other thread, I gave examples of how I tried to start a polite conversation on the euw forums, but someone thought itd' be better to ruin it by putting a fucking battle bunny riven picture on the front of it. I AM LOOKING FOR HELP, to fix this system. You dont believe me? fine, call me a whiner, do whatever. Im just a really frustrated individual looking for change, and all the people on here are just too blind to see it, and just assume im venting.

Also the game's animations are now sometimes delayed today, even though my fps and ping are constant. GG.

Sir ArmaMalumOct 29, 20145 votes

I'm not saying you shouldn't be frustrated, it is very frustrating, I agree. I myself have been demoted down two divisions before due to a high number of ragequits and afk's. You yourself can do everything right but still lose. Because in order for everyone on the 5 person team to have an impact towards victory they also must have the risk of handing out defeat.

There's not going to be a magic bullet, there's isn't some magical formula or realm of thinking that is going to suddenly make you better. The fact that you're frustrated at one person's advice not working immediately specifically shows you don't fully realize that.

And no, I still don't believe you're looking for help. Because:

You yourself said you don't take advice from pros

All the advice to climb has no meaning. Its easy for a pro to say how to climb, because they don't have to think about it. There is no real advice I feel that I can use because none of them bother.

You refuse the help of another player

Somebody suggested that I get a duo partner, but that's cheating.

You aren't asking for help for your play or your behavior, you're trying to 'fix' the people around you.

I'm trying to get better but I cant, the rest of the community is holding me back

You have to be willing to listen to advice and be willing to change your own ways to fit your surroundings, not the other way around, in solo que.

If you don't want to deal with a variance of skill of the people around you. If you don't want to deal with randoms, then start your own team. If that doesn't do it for you then you have to work with the teammates given to you, like we all do.

Paper1Oct 29, 20142 votes

How many ways can I tell you that "i want help"? I'm not a liar, I actually do want help. There is a difference between A) taking advice and failing at my expected outcome, and B) not listening. I am saying A) is true, and B) is false. We have to have this basic trust, otherwise any disagreement is going to go nowhere. Everyone on this forum assumes B) always, and that's annoying.

I have watched many VODS and streams of pro's giving their "advice". Its very wishy washy stuff that's very vague and basically makes you still have to guess. I'm not talking about guides, that's actually something concrete and can be helpful. I'm talking about how do I actually control the champion I want to get better at. I have found that the coach of SHC, Nick De Cesare, does this kind of stuff better than anyone else i've seen. Nobody does coaching videos like this guy does. If there was more of this stuff, I can actually use this to better my game, instead of the very generic "just have fun and try not to make mistakes" vibe that I get.
There are reasons why I don't want a duo partner. One of them is that you basically have to be on at the same time, and when you are on, i believe you basically have to start a string of games to improve as a duo and get anywhere with it. My life simply does not allow me to have such a fixed schedule. It would mean I would have to say that sometimes I cant play with him/her, and then like any other social invite if you refuse too often then they wont ask you anymore.
I don't know what you want me to say about this point. It comes back to the thing about people making silly mistakes, then all I can do is try to ping them back and hope for the best. And its true that, e.g. I want to ward baron, but I have to facecheck fog of war and nobody is available to assist me, then my team is holding me back from doing what the community thinks is the support's job to ward. With 2) I can get assistance from 1/5th of my team, 1) doesn't help me, since I already know that baron needs warding, and no guide can suggest otherwise how to ward baron differently in such a situation.

This hasn't just come from the recent performances btw, even tho I hype about those the most. There is always strings where I get defeats and I run into people who don't listen to my pings or advice in game or whatever, no matter how nice I try to be. Everyone is always on the defensive and assuming you are having a go at them. I understand that. In a way yes, sometimes I am depending on the situation, but I still also state how we can fix it. Problem is if you type too much, then you don't focus on the game, and I bet the people who are causing these arguments know that.

Overall, my "own ways" can only affect what I, as an individual, can do to affect the outcome of games. How can my "own ways" be changed so that I can e.g. get people to assist me at baron? I will "work with my teammates", but this is a game of give and take, they should work with me too.

Please now, don't dare accuse me of not wanting help, don't dare accuse me of not wanting to take advice or not wanting to change my own ways. I just bullet pointed a response to each of yours, I even agree with you at some points? Is this worthy of peoples upvotes now? This is a fair post.

Sir ArmaMalumOct 29, 20142 votes

This comment, yes, is a fair explanation of your view and something I can support.

and 2) are understandable and a good explanation of your stance, and are also completely different from what you previously stated, so I hope you can understand why I will flip my own viewpoint.
is an overarching subject. Simply put, this is a team game. You may do everything right and still lose. That's simply how it is. Is it unfair? Yeah it really is, but as I said before, in a team game where each person in the five person team has a meaningful impact in a match, each person also has a chance to under-perform and consequently lose the game for the rest of the team. Of course it's frustrating for the rest of this person's team, honestly I'd be worried if you weren't frustrated.

In situations where you need assistance from your team and they don't reciprocate, there's very little you yourself can do. The best solo que players do their best to gauge how much they can depend on their team and communicate how much their team can depend on them, but that being said mistakes will always be made, it's how games are won and lost. In short, yes, they should work with you. Ideally, everyone will be able to have the appropriate expectations for each other I completely agree. But sadly, working with ideals is something reserved for physicists.

However, I know a "life isn't fair" response is not helpful to you. So my advice is that if you feel you yourself did your best. As in not only did you lane alright, but you called the shots, gave out info, called initiates and lane rotations well and you still lost, don't get frustrated. If someone was watching your game and can say "you freaking tried man" then hold firm and try again. If you are a net positive gain towards your team consistently your win ratio should be >50% and you should climb, however slowly. Climbing is not a battle of win streaks it's battle of ratios, it's not the best advice I know, but it's helped me deal with loss streak frustration before.

Paper1Oct 29, 20142 votes

Hmm alright, that is something I can take on board, even though it's probably going to be somewhat difficult at times. Thanks for the time you have taken out of your day to respond to me.

Sir ArmaMalumOct 29, 20141 votes

Not a problem, it's people like you who are willing to further explain their views that I come here for. Thank you for sticking with it and best of luck on your ranked endeavors.

Hyrum GraffOct 29, 20141 votes

Also the game's animations are now sometimes delayed today, even though my fps and ping are constant. GG.

Try turning off 'wait for vsync'.

Paper1Oct 29, 20141 votes

ahh ok ill try that. Thanks :)

Paper1Oct 30, 20141 votes

So I had a look and it was already turned off. However I did notice that the client was kinda slow too so maybe it's either my connection or pvp.net?

Hyrum GraffOct 30, 20141 votes

So I had a look and it was already turned off.

I don't understand what 'wait for vsync' does really well, I just know it's often involved with cases like the one you're describing. When I'm getting weird video issues that don't have to do with ping or FPS, I try switching whatever setting it was on, and it usually helps. If yours was off, try switching it on!

However I did notice that the client was kinda slow too so maybe it's either my connection or pvp.net?

The only other thing I can think of is packet loss, which would either be a result of:

Your ISP (eg, comcast) is having issues
You're on wifi and have a flakey connection
Something on Riot's end

It's also possible that your comp is running slowly in general (did you have a lot of other programs running in the background, or is it a toaster?).

Paper1Oct 30, 20141 votes

I could try turning it on the next time, although when I hover over it, it says that it could decrease performance but increase image quality...

The support site suggested I try running a netalyzer (?), which I did and it said something about network buffer could be buffing too much, some DNS resolvers were not responding and my clock was out of sync, which I have managed now. Basically it was all technical jargon that I find difficult to understand, and after looking at some of the numbers they seem to deem "normal", mine were out by a very small amount.

I use wifi, but it's been sort of on and off for a while, and league seemed to be fine back then. As for background programs, I use mcafee firewall, which seems to use a lot of my memory sometimes? It fluctuates on task manager, telling me one minute it's using a lot, then the next it uses up very little. Apart from that, I tried disabling all my startup processes and programs for a previous problem with ping spikes, and it didn't really solve that either.

Also I did make sure league was added to the exceptions list on mcafee.

Hyrum GraffOct 30, 20141 votes

It's my understanding that the way vsync is supposed to work, it'll hurt your fps a little but make everything smoother. Can't say that's always been my experience, which is why I just randomly toggle it on/off whenever I have that issue :P

McAfee is kind of notorious for being a resource hog. I don't actually have any antivirus/firewall on my windows, since I only use it for League (Linux ftw!), but when I did, I just used Microsoft Security Essentials / Windows Defender / Windows firewall (the latter two are built-in, MSE is free to download). A while I ago, I was using Zonealarm for my firewall, which I liked, but I believe they've made changes since then so I don't know enough to endorse it.

Paper1Oct 30, 20141 votes

hmm I'm going to post something in help and support to see if anyone else knows anything. Thanks for your help