@Riot, throw us Mordekaiser mains a bone and show us you care

Malicious Metal·Aug 12, 2015·49 votes·2,571 views

What's worse than having one's favorite champion changed drastically, forced into a lane and to some people "destroyed"? Not being given any context and being ignored! Is there any harm in you at Riot to come down from your throne to maybe have a little chat with some Mordekaiser enthusiasts? Heck, I'd love a brainstorming session in regards to a more extensive rework to get to know other people's stance, especially Riots, on the big metal guy.

~M.M

33 Comments

EnosetcAug 12, 201516 votes

"i will take a champion that has historically been a solo lane and try to pigeonhole him into a duo lane because fuck it why not" -riot

HighH1Aug 12, 20155 votes

CertainlyT* Riot includes everyone from Repertoir to Phreak.

EnosetcAug 13, 20154 votes

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CertainlyT* Riot includes everyone from Repertoir to Phreak.

certainlyt isn't the lead champion designer.

i'm using "riot" instead of his name here because of the fact that the rework is largely and vocally detested by morde players and no one's stopping him from making the changes he's making. no one's saying "hey, CT. a lot of people don't like what you're doing to this champion and some of them have been playing him longer than you've been with us"

instead it's probably being heralded in their offices and during their discussions as innovative and unique

NarasimhaAug 14, 20151 votes

Sounds about right. Even Repertoir agreed that they couldn't find a way to make solo Morde work without a complete and full rework, and they're already booked on those.

KONO RUBICK DAAug 12, 20154 votes

i don't know why you refuse morde to be played bot.

that's said, the rework sucks because he won't be able to last hit, and he won't be a juggernaut since he won't have damage by building tank they should have done something to that

Malicious MetalAug 12, 20154 votes

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i don't know why you refuse morde to be played bot.

that's said, the rework sucks because he won't be able to last hit, and he won't be a juggernaut since he won't have damage by building tank they should have done something to that

Not like I refuse the whole idea of bot lane mord. I want to be able to choose where I want to play him :<

KONO RUBICK DAAug 12, 20153 votes

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Not like I refuse the whole idea of bot lane mord. I want to be able to choose where I want to play him :<

clearly, you main mordekaiser, but did you play against him in lane in solo?, in s1 morde was god because he could ignore harrass while poking you and farming. Morde is like an AP darius if you are mele against him you will suffer so hard.

If you want Morde to remain Morde and not something else he can only be healthy bot, and certainlyt is right about that because if morde is good then you can just do nothing against him.

OhthePiplupAug 12, 20157 votes

But right now he is "Can i get the third hit of my Q?" Yes: You oneshot them No: Your dead Intuitive

KONO RUBICK DAAug 12, 20153 votes

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But right now he is "Can i get the third hit of my Q?" Yes: You oneshot them No: Your dead Intuitive

yea, totally agreing, the rework should had made him a tank, a juggernaut doing damage while being tanky and and immobile. His Q has terrible base damage same for his E and he can oneshot you while building damage, but kitable and will die.

Yasu0 is dogAug 12, 20151 votes

Did they counterpick Ashe to make your life miserable? Yes/No

Ariel the CruelAug 13, 20151 votes

Nope. they counter-picked Azir. ;p

Big LincolnAug 12, 20151 votes

and if he ends up being strong then he'll completely crush 2 people and become even more fed than he could solo, while also using the time gotten from double-kills to get a dragon ghost and snowball harder

i don't see where the problem is fixed

KaeblenAug 13, 20154 votes

If Morde is only healthy bot lane 'because he's like darius' than why is darius not being pushed bot then?

your argument does not seem to have validity.

Cenobite AzazielAug 13, 20153 votes

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If Morde is only healthy bot lane 'because he's like darius' than why is darius not being pushed bot then?

your argument does not seem to have validity.

Darius got gutted during lanephase, turnig him way less opressive with a casting time in Q, less damage and no CD reduction on W.

junglerboy16Aug 13, 20151 votes

Sooo... How does that mean they couldn't do that to Morde???

Nerf his lane phase, buff his late game, highlight his strengths and weaknesses. Boom, rework complete, Morde mains go home happy, Morde gets to be played wherever he wants, everyone wins.

I could care less that Morde is being pushed towards bottom except for the arrogance on CertainlyT's part to say "I couldn't make him work in a solo lane so he isn't allowed to work in a solo lane".

KONO RUBICK DAAug 13, 20151 votes

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If Morde is only healthy bot lane 'because he's like darius' than why is darius not being pushed bot then?

your argument does not seem to have validity.

because darius can be darius without him going bot. Right now his Q will have a delay 0.75 sec, he will have a hard time to get 5 stacks melee champions has way way way options to fight him.

how do you want morde to be healthy in the top lane?

LeonDemonOfDeathAug 13, 20151 votes

They originally said he could be played but, not that they'd be forcing us to play him bot. Thanks based CT. Ruined yet another champ and doesn't care to listen.

Blue Moon WolfAug 12, 20155 votes

no one is refusing to play him bot at all, if anything it would be nice to have the option. What no one wants is to be forced to duo lane and have to have someone hold his hand to be useful. They were doing the same thing with Skarner and forcing him into jungle (I think I was told they adjusted him and he's fine now, not sure what they did though). If they want a melee champ bot, they can just make a new champ instead of reworking a favorite so he can be forced into a role he wasn't made for.

Malicious MetalAug 12, 20154 votes

What makes me feel like they really couldn't care less, and frankly what makes me kinda angry and depressed is the fact that there are Rioters commenting to every small issue where they can give their 2 cents. But god help us if the topic's on Morde, the rework with the most backlash and questions to be answered. Oh no, they avoid this topic like the goddamn plague.

Count ZubatAug 12, 20154 votes

Well, when CertainlyT was trying to answer to some of the questions asked to him on PBE forum, he was instantly downvoted to at least -20 downvotes. Also, the official thread about Morde rework on PBE forum he created has about -30 downvotes. If you want someone to make conversation with you, have at least some respect towards him. I'm not surprised CertainlyT stopped answering questions regarding Morde rework: people were just so blinded with hatred towards him that he didn't even have a chance to start a debate you now want to create. If you think that he won't be downvoted if he would decide to answer some questions on forum, you are wrong. People will just find the stupidest reasons to hate him and down vote him.

TwitchInMyPantsAug 12, 20153 votes

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Well, when CertainlyT was trying to answer to some of the questions asked to him on PBE forum, he was instantly downvoted to at least -20 downvotes. Also, the official thread about Morde rework on PBE forum he created has about -30 downvotes. If you want someone to make conversation with you, have at least some respect towards him. I'm not surprised CertainlyT stopped answering questions regarding Morde rework: people were just so blinded with hatred towards him that he didn't even have a chance to start a debate you now want to create. If you think that he won't be downvoted if he would decide to answer some questions on forum, you are wrong. People will just find the stupidest reasons to hate him and down vote him.

He did answer questions with his reasoning, he didn't actually encourage a conversation though. Whenever someone had a problem with something like inefficient item build, champion identity, balance, or whatnot he gave an amount of reasoning that people refuted/questioned further and he didn't address it any further. He essentially made his opinion the end of the conversation. Frankly the hate is blown out of proportion but there's not any real changes being made other than some balance tweaks and his kit is more toxic/binary than ever and its likely its going to leave him in a worse position than he's in right now. It's people's right to be upset with Riot's decisions and when you contrast it with how the other reworks are being handled the Morde rework is practically a joke.

Ulquiorra995Aug 13, 20151 votes

And there's a reason for that. Let's compare:

Garen players: Hey Repertoir Garen's self slow on E makes him nearly impossible to stick on targets. Repertoir: You guys might be right removes said self slow next PBE patch

Mordekaiser players: CertainlyT, Mordekaiser will almost never be able to unload his damage because it is tied into 3 melee hits and he's pushed in a lane where range and mobility are kings. CertainlyT: Tough luck. Find an ally to help you with kiting problem.

He had a chance to start a debate. The problem is - he didn't even try. Debate implies that both sides get to state their opinion and possibly influence each other, while CertainlyT's responses might be summed as "I know the best, and nothing you say is going to change anything. Fuck you."

jDVL20eCYsAug 12, 20152 votes

pleas stop cry he will be fine just as soraka turned out totally okey do i hate 70 wins and 30 loses with solo lane and jungle soraka before her rework and nerfs. he will turn out just fine. and i honestly don't think anyone just play the game cause of vayne special champ. they are so rare that is negligible :)

BijornAug 12, 20153 votes

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pleas stop cry he will be fine just as soraka turned out totally okey do i hate 70 wins and 30 loses with solo lane and jungle soraka before her rework and nerfs. he will turn out just fine. and i honestly don't think anyone just play the game cause of vayne special champ. they are so rare that is negligible :)

I can not even understand half of what you said.

But, +1 to OP.

MatezoideAug 12, 20152 votes

Rito plz

ZhuganAug 12, 20152 votes

They did try. And CertainlyT got flamed with the wrath of a thousand suns. (That saying works a lot better in that context than in most.)

And, honestly, the complaints aren't about the majority of the rework. People are just upset that his best lane has substantially shifted, but of all the reasons to protest a change that has to be one of the worst.

Morde's identity isn't in which lane he goes to, its in how he plays. If that stays the same, why do people care that he's laning with a support against ADC/support instead of laning alone? Its not like its more metal to do things alone because I'm not really recalling many metal concerts with just one person in the band or just one audience member. His kit is metal cause he hurts himself to hurt other people more and doesn't give a fuck about stopping enemies from fighting him. THAT is metal, and that is still Morde.

terkmcAug 14, 20151 votes

No, being metal is being a fucking badass murder machine and NOT having to rely on a god damn ward bitch to cast one of his skill. Morde is a baller, Morde doesnt give a fuck where he is or how many is he against, he is going to march through them, not having to scuttle around with a teammate all game long to use one of his ability because it has been shoe-horned into a role. Give me the solo W back, and I ll be fine. Ill be happy even with the choice of going top mid bot. But the shoe horn tactic of his W is fucking disgusting.

ZhuganAug 14, 20151 votes

Except a good Morde is toxic as a puffer fish in a solo lane. (To be clear, I don't mean good as in well played. I mean good as in good stats.)

The Most FragileAug 13, 20152 votes

Talon mains felt almost the same after the Silence removal. The Zed ult nerf made the quit the Champion and ironically turn to the formerly mentioned champion. Everyone has their own problems. Mordekaiser mains will have to endure the exact same thing now, either you endure it and adapt or you falter and find another champion like I did. Play what makes you enjoy the game, if your champion cannot provide that for you anymore, it's time for something new. I, for one have to admit that I really enjoyed the change, but I resorted to becoming a two-trick-pony Yasuo and Talon player.

RisurinAug 13, 20151 votes

feels bad for the mordekaiser main, but as an ADC main, i hope he is just garbage now. I dont want my marksmen out of the game, and while they clearly want to add stronger choice akternatives bot lane (which will make marksman less played there), while clearly not giving them anything back. We already barely see a lot of the current marksman botlane, where its the best lane for them. And riot want to push other stuff bot, they are just nerfing ADCs, and not giving them much options in the other lanes.

The only ones that have managed to be played outside of bot lane, are those with a different play pattern/build path then the traditionnal ADCs.

HailFire DragonAug 13, 20151 votes

nerfing adc? riot just nerfed most of the armor items in the game?

and what other adc is played in other lanes other than vayne, ez and varus???

RisurinAug 13, 20151 votes

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nerfing adc? riot just nerfed most of the armor items in the game?

and what other adc is played in other lanes other than vayne, ez and varus???

1st - nerfing adc doesnt mean they arent nerfing anything else. 2nd - up until these armor "nerfs" are in, its been months with ADCs nerfs in almost each patches. 3rd - Quinn has been played top, Kog'maw and Corki mid. just out of my mind right now. and i said, all those are played/built in non-standard ADC ways.

But yeah take w/e you want from my comment. :^)

junglerboy16Aug 13, 20151 votes

Morde has reached the "We'll buff it till it works" phase. Like Cass before him, his rework isn't satisfying to his old mains, but once Riot buffs him enough he'll accrue a new fan base who enjoy him and then Riot can nerf his kit back to rather pathetic levels.