How to deal with tanks

stealthfox94·May 1, 2016·2 votes·324 views

Some people badly need to watch this video, diving the adc isn't good team fighting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUe28CXOUpY

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RalanrMay 1, 20163 votes

...I really don't know what exactly to say.

I disagree on his thoughts about carries not countering tanks. As a tank player, I fear long fights with a dps champion since they can bring me down faster than my defensive abilities can proc to nullify damage. Sure ADCs better counter tanks in the late game, but that's because ADCs are a Late game scaling class while tanks are early to mid, as he explained.

As for teamwork. Yeah, you should focus the biggest threat to your team as a whole. Though unless you have some CC, which many assassins don't for good reason (Ello Ekko) then focusing the tank in a teamfight is a bad idea since that doesn't prevent their damage dealers from getting to your backline.

And Quinn top kinda just shits on tanky top laners in my experience. I have no idea why he can't play her there.

stealthfox94May 1, 20161 votes

For the Quinn thing I think what he meant is that in this meta you can't play squishy top laners.

RalanrMay 1, 20162 votes

In my experience, Top lane has never really been "squishy" friendly. Course I started playing pvp late into season 5 so I'm probably missing some experiences.
being squishy doesn't matter so much when she has all that kit potential. That's where top lane marksmen shine (and why everyone hates fighting against it), they have the tools to keep kiting and poking from a safe distance.

If they get caught, then of course they'll get killed. This is the class that normally has a support backing them up. To go in alone at their weakest state is a very big risk with very big consequences.

But Quinn doesn't have that big of an issue. I personally hate fighting Quinn top as a melee champion because I can't do shit to her and would just waste more resources trying to punish her for poking me.

stealthfox94May 2, 20161 votes

You weren't around for S3 back then squishy ranged top laners such as Jayce Kennen and Ryze where meta. I agree with you that Quinn can better deal with tanks than most other squishies but picking her still means that either jungle or support must tank and tank junglers are somewhat weak right now.

RalanrMay 2, 20161 votes

As someone who likes tank junglers...yeah I kinda agree with you there. They feel really slow and can't seem to provide much pressure.

Course my favorite tank to take into the jungle ( Poppy ) was nerfed so hard that champion gg doesn't even list a jungle playrate anymore. Which kinda frustrates me.

AlwaysByMySideMay 2, 20161 votes

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...I really don't know what exactly to say.

I disagree on his thoughts about carries not countering tanks. As a tank player, I fear long fights with a dps champion since they can bring me down faster than my defensive abilities can proc to nullify damage. Sure ADCs better counter tanks in the late game, but that's because ADCs are a Late game scaling class while tanks are early to mid, as he explained.

As for teamwork. Yeah, you should focus the biggest threat to your team as a whole. Though unless you have some CC, which many assassins don't for good reason (Ello Ekko) then focusing the tank in a teamfight is a bad idea since that doesn't prevent their damage dealers from getting to your backline.

And Quinn top kinda just shits on tanky top laners in my experience. I have no idea why he can't play her there.

If adcs can only reliably kill tanks in team fights at the late stage of the game, they don't really counter tanks, do they? They counter everything except similarly hard-scaling champions like Azir or Master Yi, or assassins, who counter adcs all game long generally.

Quinn top can bully some tanky top laners (she can't really do this to the tanks he mentioned, namely Malphite, Rammus, and Nautilus), but Quinn scales very poorly against tanks even if she builds full ADC (which makes her even more prone to dying). Malphite's sunfire cape power spike is much larger than her youmuu's power spike, and it comes sooner.

RalanrMay 2, 20162 votes

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** If adcs can only reliably kill tanks in team fights at the late stage of the game, they don't really counter tanks, do they?** They counter everything except similarly hard-scaling champions like Azir or Master Yi, or assassins, who counter adcs all game long generally.

Quinn top can bully some tanky top laners (she can't really do this to the tanks he mentioned, namely Malphite, Rammus, and Nautilus), but Quinn scales very poorly against tanks even if she builds full ADC (which makes her even more prone to dying). Malphite's sunfire cape power spike is much larger than her youmuu's power spike, and it comes sooner.

Correct me if I am misunderstanding you, but by this logic it sounds like lane bullies effectively have no counter because of their early game presence.

AlwaysByMySideMay 2, 20161 votes

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Correct me if I am misunderstanding you, but by this logic it sounds like lane bullies effectively have no counter because of their early game presence.

"Lane bully" isn't a role or position, it's a description of how a champion tends to be played, but isn't an absolute term.

For example, Darius bullies the shit out of mobile melee champions like Wukong, but is then bullied by ranged AD bullies like Quinn, who is then bullied by the mobile melee champion Wukong.

Tanks and ADCs can be generalized more than lane bullies can I think. Sure, some ADCs are unusually good at killing tanks, like Vayne and Kog as the video said, but in general? They only really counter tanks when their damage is so strong it can kill just about anything.