Thornmail wasn't even that strong

KONO RUBICK DA·Oct 3, 2015·37 votes·1,529 views

let's add 200 gold and gut its passive, meanwhile there are a bunch of bullshit item that still flies right now, you're making me sad riot.

22 Comments

LuggOct 3, 20153 votes

Thornmail might as well be removed at this point. It's completely worthless compared to any other item.

Maximum MordeOct 3, 20151 votes

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Thornmail might as well be removed at this point. It's completely worthless compared to any other item.

Still good item on Rammus

LuggOct 3, 20151 votes

I disagree. I have been trying it on him and I don't notice any significant benefit.

Maximum MordeOct 3, 20151 votes

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I disagree. I have been trying it on him and I don't notice any significant benefit.

He's about the only champ I build it on. SOMETIMES, Annie if im doing a troll tank annie armor/ap build

NagmaOct 4, 20151 votes

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Still good item on

OH , rammus still exist in this game , i forgot

JustMyBassCannonOct 3, 20153 votes

It's only weaker against ADCs or people stacking a ton of AD, unless Thornmail was the only Armor item you bought.

A Superb VillainOct 3, 20152 votes

item 3075 No way; I bought two!

Dar RaksadaOct 4, 20151 votes

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It's only weaker against ADCs or people stacking a ton of AD, unless Thornmail was the only Armor item you bought.

It's primary use was against ADCs though.

JustMyBassCannonOct 5, 20151 votes

Which is why it's almost unused now. Rammus is the main champion still using it, and I think you can convince Taric pretty easily to pick one up. Other than that...Galio I guess?

FantasySniperOct 4, 20151 votes

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This is a very, very hard nerf to Thornmail, guys. Although it really depends on the attack speed, a lone Thornmail only deals ≈25 more (base) DPS to anyone that doesn't possess attack multipliers, then it only drops from there as someone has more.

I know they said that it should be more rewarding to buy even more armor with it, but they're fucking insane to think that every tank is going to stack armor for the sake of Thornmail's passive. It was designed to counter ADCs, not everyone but.

JustMyBassCannonOct 5, 20151 votes

Well, I never said it was an intelligent change.

I wrote a thread once about Thornmail's nerf, and the fact that it basically lost its main function, but I didn't exactly get much conversation in there.

FantasySniperOct 6, 20151 votes

Yeah, it's now just this armor-stacking item that's niche even among the champions it's designed for. I find it fairly useful on tank junglers, but it's practically useless against champions now.

ScriptBrandOct 3, 20152 votes

if an item wasn't strong (in your opinion), then why does it matter if they nerfed it? clearly you thought it WAS strong or you would be indifferent about it being nerfed....

KONO RUBICK DAOct 3, 20157 votes

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if an item wasn't strong (in your opinion), then why does it matter if they nerfed it? clearly you thought it WAS strong or you would be indifferent about it being nerfed....

cause it was the only item which allowed me to fight vayne, i can never catch her with olaf but before i could before dying deal 1/2 of her hp with thornmail. But i guess that riot doesn't want something that counter he to exists

GastonBarnaclesOct 4, 20151 votes

Umm I main olaf and I usually manage kill vayne unless she has a healing support. I think you might be building too squishy like I see many olafs do. As long as they dont have a soraka you should be able to kill her with hydra, dead man's plate and sunfire being your only dmg items. Just land your qs. Upgrade your trinket to a pink. BUT I agree with you. Thornmail was really nice to have on olaf cause the adc has to run or fight you and it gave you more of an edge if they decide to fight. Also vayne is op.

TurquoiseYoshiOct 3, 20157 votes

At least it used to be viable. Now it's completely shit in every situation except when you're Malph against a full AD team.

Which conveniently happened at Worlds.

Captain AishiOct 3, 20151 votes

new thornmail is more of a counter to sated devourer than anything else sadly

KONO RUBICK DAOct 3, 201513 votes

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new thornmail is more of a counter to sated devourer than anything else sadly

new thornmail sucks unless you have 400 armor

Captain AishiOct 3, 20153 votes

against ADCs new thornmail sucks unless you have 600 armor actually :P

but it's relatively easy to get up to 60 flat damage return on hit from the bonus armor scaling, making sated devourer attacks deal as much damage to it's user as it does to it's target

Mr4EvaOct 3, 20151 votes

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against ADCs new thornmail sucks unless you have 600 armor actually :P

but it's relatively easy to get up to 60 flat damage return on hit from the bonus armor scaling, making sated devourer attacks deal as much damage to it's user as it does to it's target

I recall playing a custom game with lee sin against fiora, dying with a hydra full ad build, building cinderhulk and a bunch of armour items and then instantly winning a 1v1. It's still decent.

LadyRenlyOct 3, 20151 votes

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new thornmail sucks unless you have 400 armor

sucks period unless enemy is all ad. you would be dumb to buy only armor, the enemy AP will just have an easier time. which is sad. id like to buy just thornmail and maybe 1 other armor item before focusing on mr or hp