zed is the healthiest assasin with biggest ballance problems

Knight SoIaire ··2 votes·1,021 views

when we look at others the only problem we can find is that they delete ppl too fast for them to react of leave no room for interaction

zed is indeed diferent but did anyone ever though how that interacts with his powerbudget ? -you can remove his ult with items, but has enough power to rely on it only for gapclosing and quite a low cd (lowewr than zhonyas qqs or whatever can you get)
-he needs to go into a meele range without any invisibility and stick to you for 3 seconds, so riot gave him enough power to be able to pop out after 1,5 seconds and just wait for explosion which will kill the adc -hes meele and can be bullied in lane, he gets a skillset allowing him to effectively outragne mages while farming and poking -his skillset is complex, but he has enough raw power to stand up to you once he fails something

and most of his counterplay can be summarized like this, he has a weakness so he gets pumped up to the point where you cant exploit it

am i the only one who kinda finds it a wrong kind of reasoning behind his ballance ?

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HandheldBrandon3 votes

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when we look at others the only problem we can find is that they delete ppl too fast for them to react of leave no room for interaction

zed is indeed diferent but did anyone ever though how that interacts with his powerbudget ? -you can remove his ult with items, but has enough power to rely on it only for gapclosing and quite a low cd (lowewr than zhonyas qqs or whatever can you get)

Sure you can remove his ultimate with items but he forces you to forgoe all other items to build these items as fast as you can to have the power to remove his ult. NOT A SINGLE CHAMPION IN THE GAME FORCES YOU TO FORGO YOUR ENTIRE BUILD TO STOP THEM FROM DOMINATING YOU AT 6.

-he needs to go into a meele range without any invisibility and stick to you for 3 seconds, so riot gave him enough power to be able to pop out after 1,5 seconds and just wait for explosion which will kill the adc

He has 2-4 dashes he can uses to get into range and one dash that allows him to follow you even if you flash out of range. Not only that but hes packing flash too for a total of 2-5 dashes total. Also he only has to do a certain amount of damage before he can back out to safety and his ultimate does the rest for him.

-hes meele and can be bullied in lane, he gets a skillset allowing him to effectively outragne mages while farming and poking

Good luck poking a champ with infinite wave clear and unlimited resources. He will out push you and he will not have to go back to get more mana or rely on blue buff to do this.

-his skillset is complex, but he has enough raw power to stand up to you once he fails something

So on top of infinite wave clear, forcing players to itemize against him as early as possible, and his multiple dashes you are telling me that even if he messes up he can still win the fight anyways? Do you see where i am getting at?

and most of his counterplay can be summarized like this, he has a weakness so he gets pumped up to the point where you cant exploit it

He has so many strengths that his weaknesses are a moot point. Even if he does fail all he has to do is get a kill or 2 and he will suddenly snowball wildly. He is also one of the safest laners in the game.

am i the only one who kinda finds it a wrong kind of reasoning behind his ballance ?

I dont think there is many champs that have gotten as much hate as Zed has except for Nidalee who to this day i still hate dealing with and i am sure a ton of people do as well.

Junkο2 votes

NOT A SINGLE CHAMPION IN THE GAME FORCES YOU TO FORGO YOUR ENTIRE BUILD TO STOP THEM FROM DOMINATING YOU AT 6.

Talon, Yasuo, Riven, Pantheon all do this if they go midlane BEFORE level 6.

Veigar FORCES you to build something other than main AP items unless you want to die

PokladnicaZla1 votes

Yeah but you get a that item you even the field,you get a chance to win...

Junkο1 votes

Meanwhile if you get that item against Zed, you force him to roam because you become unkillable to him.

Others can still kill you because their dmg doesn't rely on one spell. Hell Veigar will beat you purely because he outdamages you because either you buy damage and give him damage or you don't buy damage and he has better damage by default.

PokladnicaZla1 votes

You dont become unkillable he can still poke you down and use his R to gapclose and later escape.

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

also duelist zed build which is preety neat imo

ForgiveColour2 votes

are you bronze lol?

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Knight SoIaire 1 votes

ugh kassa ?

i might agree that the rest of your pool can cause ppl to go butthurt but kassa?

PokladnicaZla1 votes

Hello :))

1.That´s true,but it costs the buyer alot.Zhonyas does counter Zed(for a brief period of time) but the buyer spend over 3000 gold for it.It isnt really core on any champions. QSS costs 1250 gold and removes his R,but the buyer(for example ADCs) sacrifice AD for trading.You kinda get countered by countering him.You remove the R ,but cant trade back cause lack of AD.

  1. Mostly 1. .

3.He has 2 gapclosers and escape abilites+the confusing they make.Seeing zed run ahaed while his R is still back,gets frustraiting.

4.It´s hard to bully Zed.He deosnt use mana and many mages got their resuorces f***ed up by mana reg. nerfs.Prior to the nerfs Zed was still poking much.but now the gap between consitent trading is bigger,where Zed has the upper hand.

5.His abilities by themself arent that complex,but his skillfloor is.It takes practice to make flashy plays in the right time and be a god-like-Zed.But,I still feel he is too safe and frogiving when he makes a mistake.

I hope you get what Im saying.He is fun to play and hard to be really good at,but he is definetly frustraiting to play against with little counterplay which requires you to sacriface early stats for low chance survival.

Junkο1 votes

but the buyer(for example ADCs) sacrifice AD for trading

Not like it upgrades into an AD item that gives the same amount of AD as BT, IE or anything item 3139

PokladnicaZla1 votes

Excuse me,but 1250 gold for early stats is alot.Its not like when you 1. get back u can buy BF+QSS vs lanning against Zed,while trying to farm,trade and not get killed.

Junkο1 votes

I was not aware that we went back to Season 1 ADC mid meta so ADCs lane against Zed a lot

PokladnicaZla1 votes

Well Ez sees play,Lucian also did for brief time.

Kowe The Ewok1 votes

He can be bullied in lane? What? Ever played him? Just lay back and spamm Q....

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

Ever played him?

ever learned to read ? im an bastard here but i wont be nice to you when you pull sommething like that on me

literaly you had one job to read this stuff, and it was only couple words after that, and you failed

Narasimha1 votes

The funny thing is, its not even Zed. They're not joking when they say he's balanced. He was fine all this time until ONE thing happened: The mana changes. With the mana changes, it became harder to manage mana. It means that all maanless champions essentially got a huge boost in laning. Its why Akali and Kat spiked up so suddenly. Its not that they suddenly became OP. Everyone else was just weakened a lot.

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

they didnt say as much as he is ballanced but he is the healthiest assasin healthiest still doesnt mean healthy enough

i need to say that you are both riight and wrong here zed wasnt a problem ballance wise until mana nerfs kicked in you are right here, mages could simply poke him back but zed was a problem design wise before mana regen nerfs kicked in (healthy assasin who does literaly everything a champion could do in this game, killing, vave cleraring, splitpushing, assasinating tanks, poking all innning executing, he is like a lee sin of assasins, a freaking swiss knife)

the problems were already there mana nerfs were just the last thing he needed to blow up

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